3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1 (not BB)

[daniel_the_smith]

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OK, I feel better now. White was worried about their stones. If it were my move I'd really be tempted to play m12. Hopefully Jordus will do something to help our stones in the middle.

I think the position is very even right now, maybe slight advantage to black if we can handle those stones well.

[Phelan]

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I like topazg's move.
I wonder how Jordus will reply to this one.

[Jordus]

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Is it just me or am I getting stuck with all the hard decision moves? lol.

So as it is now I fear for the marked black stones. The issue isn't life, there is enough room to do that, the issue is the moyo white will get when black tries to defend it. With a solid territorial opening like we have had in this game, I fell ike black should have started a fight a little sooner in order to shift white's focus from territorial play.


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I think Black 21 may have been better played with this:


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[/go]Hide Diagram CodeBlacks move here would have started a fight making (a) a bad move for white. The resulting fight would give black more to work with in center which makes attacking whites moyo's and corners easier...

So after thinking it through, locally I want to play (a). However, (b) is a better shape, but doesnt seem to be a good enough move imo... However, (c) may open a response that would be interesting...

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If I play (c), whites first thought would probably be to play f or g. If white plays (g), i think 3 would be a good response. However, I was not happy with any variations I could think of for if white played f.

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So I figured Black could attack the side with 1. It isn't a forceful attack, but it begins the formation of a center moyo.... But the biggest advantage is that it can be used to attack either side. So no matter what white plays to counter it, the other side is vulnerable. There are a couple of complicated sequences i thought of in my mind that can go with 1, but I doubt they would work considering that 3 people have to try to read it out... (also my sequences may not be the best thought sequences :P)

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So after all this thinking by brain is fried.... I have become split on the decision to get a better shape for those two center stones, or to attack with 1 from figure 5.

So after long thought and contemplation.... I decided to attack with 1. My goal is to use 1 to attack towards the bottom right corner, take the corner (using (d), and create a nice wall of stones to support the two center stones...

... hopefully i am not making a tactical mistake.

(one may think I am not confident in my go from the way I have been posting this game.... its not that, its that having 6 players in a game makes it flow much much differently... and the fact that the much higher ranked players play moves I wouldn't have normally so I get a little antsy thinking I may be missing something.)

Ugh... those two center stones are bugging me so much right now....


*OH MY GOD- lol. I almost lost all of this (2 hours in the making...hey .... I am bad at being decisive in games I am really into....) I almost had a heart attack..... luckily the info wasn't erased and I was able to copy and paste into my notepad and start a new message.... wowsers....*

EDIT- Now that I see the move on the diagram.... those two center stones really really bother me..... It didn't seem so small on my board..... *sigh*

[Jordus]

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After sitting down and playing through multiple variations..... I am much happier with my move. I am very pleased with the ample amount of options it presents.... I see white responding to it, but even if white ignores it that opens up the chance for some very nice sequences....

Try some yourself and see what I mean.

First play white's move in 1 of 4 ways:
1. Defend/reinforce the top left corner
2. Defend/reinforce the bottom left corner
3. Defend/reinforce the left side stone
4. Play elsewhere

Focus on 1 of three things when you try your variation(when you are playing black):
1. Attacking the bottom left corner.
2. Attacking the top left corner.
3. Attacking the left side stone.

I think my favorite comes from the bottom left corner.

*Edit* Of course this is barring the fact my reading vs. the Dan players reading is comparable to a butter knife against a light saber.... yes... I used a Star Wars Reference!

[magicwand]

only for the observers

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some comment to the kyu level observers:
move Jordus has played is wrong.
when you have your weak group on the board you take care of it by defending it or attacking opponents weak group.
if i was his opponent (although i am i can not make next move) i would attack the weak stone and make his move useless.
see example below. i am not sure if it is the optimal way to attack but the idea would be correct. i hope it helps lower kyu level players see the bigger picture of the game.



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[Phelan]

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My first instinct is to play the circled stone above, since the keima is the usual way of dealing with a cap. The keima at a would not be as good, I think. The circled stone coordinates well with the top corner, covers a weak spot on the middle left, and seems to provide some influence towards our endangered group.


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These are other moves that occur to me, but I don't think are as good.
a and b would only work if we had more strength around to use, and c is too soft, black doesn't need to reply to it.

I was thinking of leaving it till tomorrow to let my thoughts simmer, but I don't think I'll find anything as good as this.


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These are some black replies that make sense to me. I don't think there's anything very severe that can be played.

I'm feeling more optimistic, although I expect my optimism to fade when I see Violence's move.

[Violence]

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Yeesh... what a bad exchange... What exactly is that black stone over there doing? Is it going to affect the center fight at all? Why in the world was it played? Why did black want white to solidify his territory more?

Man... what a mess.

It's a fight in the center, don't play moves that have no rhyme or reason... fight!

[magicwand]

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when black group is playing such akward move just take care of your group and wait for he weakness to be weaker. covering my weakness will eventually reveal his weakness.
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[Jordus]

Hidden Section:

Luckily Phelan responded to my move 23 and violence followed up with the mve i was considering originally... I probably should have went for it.... But it actually seems better now with that the stone I placed out there is ready to attack the side.....Ko fights anyone?

Here are some thoughts....



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If A



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If B



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This one is wishing for white to let black to cut them but w/e.... I like wishing.... black 11 at a, white connects with b, black cuts/attacks at c....


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[daniel_the_smith]

Move coming later...

Hidden Section:

Awesome, Violence played my move!

Now I have to decide if magicwand's move requires a response. I have no idea why he played there, did I miss a variation when I looked at that cut?

I know I considered playing the move that Jordus made, but I'm glad I didn't play it. I like it much less now that I see the expected response on the board.