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 Post subject: Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?
Post #21 Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:40 pm 
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Post #22 Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:09 pm 
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Haha, I really have no idea. But I don't seem to be coming up with something better!

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Post #23 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:48 am 
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I thought the goal was for you to live, not for you to kill some of my stones.

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Post #24 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:02 am 
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I thought the goal was for you to live, not for you to kill some of my stones.


I've only played/watched this game a few times so am far from an expert in it, but I have found often one does live by killing some stones in a counterattack (because they had to over-attack and get cut/bad shape to deny you 2 eyes), though this will obviously only happen after many moves have been played with barely dead fragments scattered across the board so can't be an initial aim.

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Post #25 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:59 am 
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I've only played/watched this game a few times so am far from an expert in it, but I have found often one does live by killing some stones in a counterattack (because they had to over-attack and get cut/bad shape to deny you 2 eyes), though this will obviously only happen after many moves have been played with barely dead fragments scattered across the board so can't be an initial aim.
It does seem like playing that way directly will just push Black to solidify his own shape. After N13, the upper right quadrant seems like it'll be very inhospitable for White, right? I guess white could try N13-M12 to not quite settle things as much. Does that make any sense?

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Post #26 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:42 am 
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Post #27 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:22 pm 
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Post #28 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:28 pm 
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Funny how Kirby seems to keep inviting good plays by White.

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Surely this is better.

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Post #29 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:26 pm 
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Let's adjust tactics.

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Post #30 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:50 pm 
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$$ --------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #31 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:35 am 
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This must be nerve-wracking for both sides, kinda like jumping inside an opponent's big moyo, a live-and-win type situation. Ok, not kinda like, exactly like. :blackeye:

DrStraw is like a terminator, relentlessly and silently killing. We'll see if he comes up with any witty one liners, a la Arnold.

And the commentary is good too, especially Bill's tewari. Keep it up, all!

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Post #32 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:07 am 
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Not nerve wracking at all, at least not for me. I stopped being nervous over a game of go after I'd played about 25,000 games. No witticism, however. I'll leave that up to the kibbitzers who are doing a good job.

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Post #33 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:22 am 
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My nerves are usually wracked, with or without go :-)

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Post #34 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:23 am 
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Post #35 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:00 am 
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What happened to all the diagrams - they disappeared!

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Post #36 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:24 am 
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What happened to all the diagrams - they disappeared!

They're still visible for me. Perhaps a temporary rendering glitch?

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Post #37 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:44 pm 
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Very strange. At the start of the thread they were visible using Opera. Now they are not. I had to switch to Firefox.

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EDIT: Seems like it is not just L19 which is broken. Is it not displaying material at two other sites I used just as regularly.

EDIT: It appears that Javascript got turned off. But I did not do it, so I have no idea how. I am running the latest versions so I am wondering if it was turn off during an automated update.

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Post #38 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:57 pm 
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . X X . . . . . X O . O . . X X . . |
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$$ --------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #39 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:17 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ --------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #40 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:20 pm 
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$$ --------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X W . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe too early, but I'm afraid I'll lose the chance to play later.

Timing is tricky.

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