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Post #41 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:23 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . B . X O . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #42 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:14 pm 
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$$ --------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X W X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]


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Post #43 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:55 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X W X O . . . . . . . . |
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$$ --------------------------------------[/go]


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Post #44 Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:14 am 
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$$ --------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . X X . . . . B X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #45 Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:55 pm 
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$$ --------------------------------------
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$$ | . . X X . . . W X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #46 Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:50 pm 
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #47 Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 7:23 pm 
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$$ --------------------------------------
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X W O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #48 Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 7:44 pm 
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$$ --------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X B X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]


Predictable. Does this site have autocomplete. :)

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Post #49 Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:11 pm 
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Now things get a little trickier.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . 2 6 X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 X O O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]


I built up some strength in this variation.

But black can also choose to resist this variation:
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 X B X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]


I need to formulate a better plan for this scenario.

The other direction has the same implication:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]


The good part about this last diagram is that I'm building some sort of strength in a centralized area... But is it enough to have a chance of life?

Furthermore, is there a way that I can make the marked stone a target?

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$$ --------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]


That might very well help in making a decision on direction here.

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Post #50 Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:09 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . W . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #51 Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:03 am 
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[go]$$W
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #52 Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:41 am 
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So basically, playing from this side gives me a better shape, but pretty much says that I'm going to put everything into living into this bottom part of the board:

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[go]$$W
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . 1 . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]


It's not a terrible shape to start with, but on the other hand, black can attack, and if he does so well, it will be hard to come back.

For example:

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[go]$$W
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . 1 . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]


I have not read out everything that will happen - and maybe black has a more severe response.

On the flip side, I can go from the other direction:
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[go]$$W
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . 2 . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]


The benefit of this option is that it doesn't totally kill the aji that my stones have - I can still force against his clumped up group:
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[go]$$W
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . 2 . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]


Something like above, for example - maybe not immediately.

However, I don't like the shape as much in this variation, and while I still have aji from both sides, it doesn't look like that lively of a shape. I'm not really sure.

So I need to think about this a little bit more.

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Is this thread over?

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Oh, sorry. I forgot it was my turn.

I'll try this one:
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[go]$$W
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . W . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #55 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:51 pm 
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[go]$$W
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . B X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #56 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:36 pm 
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[go]$$W
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]


My only fear is that this may be too slow... But I've made him wait long enough, so let's see where he plays.

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Post #57 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:39 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . B O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$W
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . W . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #59 Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:38 am 
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$$ --------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . B X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$W
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . O . W . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]


I want to play here:
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[go]$$W
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . W X X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]


But I fear that black will play here in response:
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[go]$$W
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . B . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]


If I fix the shape here, I think I can go in either direction:
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$$ --------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O X X O . O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . a X X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . O b . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------[/go]


So maybe it will be ok?


I will try, DrStraw. I do not underestimate your killing ability, though.

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