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Author:  Javaness2 [ Thu May 10, 2012 11:24 am ]
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I thought that the IGF had delegated the running of the event to the EGF.

mumps wrote:
There's a meeting of the IGF next week at which the EGF are submitting some proposals, so we can expect some announcements soon after that.

Jon

Author:  quantumf [ Sat May 26, 2012 6:01 am ]
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Any news yet whatsoever?

Author:  Javaness2 [ Sat May 26, 2012 7:15 am ]
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No

Author:  Javaness2 [ Wed May 30, 2012 10:11 am ]
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SURPRISE !!!1!

the IGF website has some details

Author:  quantumf [ Wed May 30, 2012 11:33 am ]
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Does it? Where?

I could find bridge info at the IMSA site, for instance: http://www.worldbridge.org/tourn/Lille. ... #Programme

But nothing for go

Author:  Javaness2 [ Thu May 31, 2012 1:23 pm ]
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https://intergofed.org/documents/2nd_wm ... hedule.pdf

Author:  Hsiang [ Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:11 am ]
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The WMSG-II announcement is now available at the IGF website <http://intergofed.org/index.php>, including tournament details, schedule, and a hotel list.

Author:  quantumf [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:51 am ]
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The rules as outlined in the attached documents indicate that players should be nominated by the Go federation to which they belong. There is no stated rule about citizenship or residency. Is there a rule that players must be either a citizen and/or a resident in the country that nominates them? Or is that up to the nominating country to decide?

Edit: the EGF have confirmed that citizenship is required.

Author:  Hsiang [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:23 pm ]
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quantumf wrote:
The EGF have confirmed that citizenship is required.

Right. WMSG is modeled after the Olympics. While WMSG does not yet have its own charter, the Olympic Charter requires that "an athlete be a national of the country they compete for".

Author:  RobertJasiek [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:32 pm ]
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Hsiang wrote:
WMSG is modeled after the Olympics.


If the earlier stated information is right, McMahon (not all participants have the same right to win), no professionals (some of the strongest players are prohibited) and extra youth tournament (not all participants in the overall event have the same right to win the same) contradict that. The first WMSG was pretty close to the Olympics - the second is not at all.

Author:  gogameguru [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:34 am ]
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RobertJasiek wrote:
Hsiang wrote:
WMSG is modeled after the Olympics.


If the earlier stated information is right, McMahon (not all participants have the same right to win), no professionals (some of the strongest players are prohibited) and extra youth tournament (not all participants in the overall event have the same right to win the same) contradict that. The first WMSG was pretty close to the Olympics - the second is not at all.

That's mainly because of a lack of funding Robert, but they're doing their best to find resources and go ahead with it anyway. It's the same old story, and you must know that by now...

Author:  RobertJasiek [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:23 am ]
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gogameguru wrote:
That's mainly because of a lack of funding


Not at all! Swiss or KO (as examples of different tournament systems) instead of McMahon costs nothing, allowing professionals to enter costs nothing (for the event organisation) and letting young and adult players play in one tournament costs nothing!

Author:  gogameguru [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:32 am ]
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I was under the impression that professionals just weren't interested in attending, not that they were blocked from entering.

Perhaps you've read otherwise?

Author:  RobertJasiek [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:12 am ]
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So far, I have believed Javaness2:
viewtopic.php?p=101174&sid=33da01d78ae131f1ca514ba2f7771806#p101174

Do you have the URLs for the pages or documents that specify the details?

Author:  HermanHiddema [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:39 am ]
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RobertJasiek wrote:
Hsiang wrote:
WMSG is modeled after the Olympics.


If the earlier stated information is right, McMahon (not all participants have the same right to win), no professionals (some of the strongest players are prohibited) and extra youth tournament (not all participants in the overall event have the same right to win the same) contradict that. The first WMSG was pretty close to the Olympics - the second is not at all.


Actually, the Olympics traditionally did not allow professional athletes to compete, and some restrictions on professional participation still exists for some sports. Also, there has been a recent addition of Youth Olympic Games in addition to the regular Olympic games.

Author:  gogameguru [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:33 am ]
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RobertJasiek wrote:
So far, I have believed Javaness2:
viewtopic.php?p=101174&sid=33da01d78ae131f1ca514ba2f7771806#p101174

Do you have the URLs for the pages or documents that specify the details?
I see. I hadn't seen that other thread earlier. I was just going off a conversation I had with our region's IGF director.

EDIT: After some clicking around the IGF site for awhile, I found this: http://intergofed.org/documents/2nd_wms ... etails.pdf

The copy I downloaded says 'Updated June 5'. On the first page, second point:
Quote:
- Eligibility: Amateur players nominated by a national go
organisation associated with the International Go Federation
who are citizens of that organisation's country or territory.
Nominations must be submitted to the tournament office by
July 30. Youth participants must be born after August 20, 1991.
So, if I understand that correctly it seems pros are indeed excluded. Nice to see some regular updates on the IGF site by the way! :)

Author:  RobertJasiek [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:57 am ]
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HermanHiddema wrote:
the Olympics traditionally did not allow professional athletes to compete, and some restrictions on professional participation still exists for some sports. Also, there has been a recent addition of Youth Olympic Games in addition to the regular Olympic games.


Interesting, thank you!

Until which year were professional athletes prohibited?

Author:  HermanHiddema [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:15 am ]
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RobertJasiek wrote:
HermanHiddema wrote:
the Olympics traditionally did not allow professional athletes to compete, and some restrictions on professional participation still exists for some sports. Also, there has been a recent addition of Youth Olympic Games in addition to the regular Olympic games.


Interesting, thank you!

Until which year were professional athletes prohibited?


According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Ga ... ssionalism) the restrictions on professional athletes started to be phased out during the 70s, and there has been no general IOC restriction since the 90s. Current restrictions are the result of individual policy of international federations of specific sports. Currently, there are still restrictions in boxing, wrestling and football (soccer).

Author:  RobertJasiek [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:48 am ]
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The following is still unclear:
- komi
- rules of play
- which byoyomi
- initial McMahon seeding (top bar etc.)
- McMahon pairing
- tiebreakers for the seeding from McMahon to KO
- determination of tournament directors and referees
- definition of "amateur player"

Which Europeans may participate in the qualification tournament for the 2nd SportAccord World Mind Games?

75 min basic time is a slight improvement over the 1st WMSG but still much shorter than an event of that importance deserves.

Author:  Javaness2 [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:02 am ]
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It would seem idiotic to decide on the McMahon bar before you know who has entered the tournament?
I expect they will use French Rules, but I am sure that this, and all the minor details will appear soon, after having being decided in an email exchange.

RobertJasiek wrote:
The following is still unclear:
- komi
- rules of play
- which byoyomi
- initial McMahon seeding (top bar etc.)
- McMahon pairing
- tiebreakers for the seeding from McMahon to KO
- determination of tournament directors and referees
- definition of "amateur player"

Which Europeans may participate in the qualification tournament for the 2nd SportAccord World Mind Games?

75 min basic time is a slight improvement over the 1st WMSG but still much shorter than an event of that importance deserves.

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