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 Post subject: Re: Why this play is bad
Post #21 Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:30 pm 
Judan

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Compare: joseki result, with white sente:
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[go]$$Wcm11
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . 6 X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 4 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


with this and black sente:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 5 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . 8 4 O X 9 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O 2 X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


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Post #22 Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:00 pm 
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Bill Spight wrote:
Kirby, I am not angry with you, or offended. Just exasperated. ;)

I don't think that you gave much thought to the difference between the two lines of play. :w7: is a game losing play.


Okay. I can understand your reasoning when it is spoon-fed to me, but I don't know if I could have come to the same conclusion by myself.

Anyway, I agree with you about the position.

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Post #23 Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:05 pm 
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Uberdude wrote:
@Bill, allowing the split and fighting a huge ko was pretty popular a year or two ago, I haven't seen it so much recently (whether that's just fashion or they decided it's good for someone I don't know, or maybe I'm just not looking at the games it still happens in). In fact white preferred the more powerful atari here, the simple connection is slack so play went like this.

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[go]$$Wc Broken shape
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . 6 W X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O 9 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


Just want to mention that this sequence happened on the very first pro game that I am trying to memorize:

https://badukmovies.com/pro_games/48253 ... kim-dongho

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