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Post #21 Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:47 am 
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Both black and white should play b. Black would get a point at a and white playing there would prevent black from getting this point. Was this the other good thing about :b6: ? It enables this extra point (assuming white decides to play elsewhere)?

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Post #22 Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:07 pm 
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mongus wrote:
Both black and white should play b. Black would get a point at a and white playing there would prevent black from getting this point. Was this the other good thing about :b6: ? It enables this extra point (assuming white decides to play elsewhere)?


Yep. :)

Since we don't know the rest of the board, we don't know who will get to play at "b", we count the point at "a" as 1/2 point for Black. :)

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Post #23 Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:10 pm 
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Next question:

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Does Black have a better play than :b2:?

Yes.

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Post #24 Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:11 am 
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Bill Spight wrote:
Next question:

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Does Black have a better play than :b2:?

Yes.


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White would have to capture the stone or risk being cut off..

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That is very interesting. The possibility of sacrificing the stone to gain more territory hadn't actually occurred to me before.


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Post #25 Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:48 am 
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mongus wrote:
Bill Spight wrote:
Next question:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W
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$$ . , . . O X O X X X . .
$$ . . . X X X O . . . X .
$$ . . X . 4 3 O O X X X .
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$$ . . X . . . 2 X X . X .
$$ . . X X X X X X X X X .
$$ . , . . . . . , . . . .[/go]


Does Black have a better play than :b2:?

Yes.


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$$ . , . . O X O X X X . .
$$ . . . X X X O . . . X .
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White would have to capture the stone or risk being cut off..

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That is very interesting. The possibility of sacrificing the stone to gain more territory hadn't actually occurred to me before.


Bravo! :clap: :salute: :clap:

BTW, in a real game, after :b4: :w5: is so small by comparison with :w1: - :w3: that White will probably have a bigger play somewhere else, and will not play :w5: right away. In fact, Black will probably be able to play there with sente.

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Post #26 Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:34 am 
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Awesome. Thanks. It is interesting to note how focusing on preserving my territory rather than just getting offending and trying to block my opponent makes a difference.

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