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Offline erixsparhawk
 Post subject: First Game Help Counting
Post #1 Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:28 pm 
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White played last. My GF and I think that the game is over at this point. Did black or white win?
Thanks for helping us settle the disagreement and learn how to play.


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Offline EdLee
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Post #2 Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 10:54 pm 
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Welcome. :)

Things to learn:
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White played last. My GF and I think that the game is over at this point. Did black or white win?
The game is not quite finished. But White won anyway -- by over 20 points ( if komi was 0.5 ), depending on whose turn it was next. See the following posts.
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Offline EdLee
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Post #3 Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:13 pm 
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( Hmm... the renderer cannot handle 14x14... :-? )

It's a good habit to completely fill in all the dame, or neutral points.
As you can see in the following SGF ( and in the diagrams next post ),
you still have about 20 moves left --
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Offline EdLee
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Post #4 Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:20 pm 
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$
$$ -------------------------------
$$ | O . O . . . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | X O . . . O O . X X O . . . |
$$ | X O O . . O X O X . O . . . |
$$ | X X O . O X X . X X O O O O |
$$ | . X O O O O X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . O O X X X X X X |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O O O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . . X X O . O O X X |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------[/go]

If it's W's turn, then this happens:
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[go]$$W
$$ -------------------------------
$$ | O 1 O . . . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | 2 X O . . . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | X O . . . O O 3 X X O . . . |
$$ | X O O . . O X O X . O . . . |
$$ | X X O . O X X . X X O O O O |
$$ | . X O O O O X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . O O X X X X X X |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O O O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . . X X O . O O X X |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------[/go]

After :b4:, W has to decide if W needs to fix the cut; suppose W fixes it:
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[go]$$W
$$ -------------------------------
$$ | O 1 O . . . O X ? O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . O X ? O . . . . |
$$ | 2 X O . . . O X ? O . 5 . . |
$$ | X O O . . O O X X 4 O . . . |
$$ | X O . . . O O 3 X X O . . . |
$$ | X O O . . O X O X ? O . . . |
$$ | X X O . O X X ? X X O O O O |
$$ | . X O O O O X X X . X ? ? ? |
$$ | X X ? ? ? 6 O O X X X X X X |
$$ | . X X X X X O 7 O O O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . . X X O . O O X X |
$$ | . . . . . . X ? O . . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------[/go]

If it's B's turn, then this happens:
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[go]$$B
$$ -------------------------------
$$ | O 1 O . . . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | X O . . . O O 2 X X O . . . |
$$ | X O O . . O X O X . O . . . |
$$ | X X O . O X X . X X O O O O |
$$ | . X O O O O X X X . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . O O X X X X X X |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O O O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . . X X O . O O X X |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------[/go]

Continuing:
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[go]$$B :w1:
$$ -------------------------------
$$ | . X O . . . O X ? O . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . O X ? O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O X ? O . 4 . . |
$$ | X O O . . O O X X 3 O . . . |
$$ | X O . . . O O O X X O . . . |
$$ | X O O . . O X O X ? O . . . |
$$ | X X O . O X X ? X X O O O O |
$$ | . X O O O O X X X . X ? ? ? |
$$ | X X ? ? ? 5 O O X X X X X X |
$$ | . X X X X X O 6 O O O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . . X X O . O O X X |
$$ | . . . . . . X ? O . . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------[/go]

Let us know if you still have questions.

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Offline erixsparhawk
 Post subject: Re: First Game Help Counting
Post #5 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:04 pm 
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EdLee,
That was a very helpful post. Thank you!
Eric

ps- I thought I was using a 13x13! Next time count intersections rather than squares!
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Hi Eric,

You're welcome.
erixsparhawk wrote:
Next time count intersections rather than squares!
Good habit to have anyway, as Liberties are your Life!
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