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Offline Sneegurd
 Post subject: Endgame territory question
Post #1 Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 9:51 pm 
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Hi,

why is the top right area lost for black? With black j13, can't black win the territory later - and make prisoners? I'm completely confused about this. Also, if there was black j13, why is this whites territory? Probably a simple rules question.
If I may ask you to have a look? See attached, or this: http://www.dragongoserver.net/game.php?gid=728335
Unfortunately I cannot embed, because it's 13x13.

Thx.


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Offline illluck
 Post subject: Re: Endgame territory question
Post #2 Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:21 pm 
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J13 K13, black is dead.

Even if J13 worked, you would still need to play it if you want the points.
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Offline zarathustra
 Post subject: Re: Endgame territory question
Post #3 Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:22 pm 
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With black j13, can't black win the territory later - and make prisoners?


If you thought that then you should have played it out. But, I do not believe black could have won that corner without a lot of help from white.

If black plays j13 his group has three liberties and whites corner group has four. Even if white gave black two moves in a row white should still win that corner.
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Offline Bill Spight
 Post subject: Re: Endgame territory question
Post #4 Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 11:13 pm 
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See move 72. Black cannot win the fight and the Black stones are dead.

¿Es claro? :)

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Offline Sneegurd
 Post subject: Re: Endgame territory question
Post #5 Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 4:53 am 
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Ugh! What an easy task, thanks guys! I didn't see the 5 black stones can be cought. I was somewhat overfocused on those 5 dead stones plus l9 m9 n9 n10, which surround the white stones.

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