Joaz Banbeck wrote:
You'd lose.
is played out of turn.
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| Author: | Joelnelsonb [ Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | What's your response to the "drunken joseki"? |
If You've seen Nick Sibicky's 100th video lecture where he celebrates by simply playing Go (and getting slightly wasted; hats off to him because my game on ethanol couldn't be worse...) He play's the following opening and has moderate success with it. Since then, I've encountered multiple players giving it a try and I've approached it with different strategies. It appears quite harmless at first glance, however, you soon realize the advantage your opponent is taking by giving himself the ladder in all four corners at the cost of the first move advantage in said corners. So how would you respond? Would you take the empty corners as shown, do something to prevent the ponnuki or something entirely different? |
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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What's your response to the "drunken joseki"? |
| Author: | DrStraw [ Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What's your response to the "drunken joseki"? |
Joaz Banbeck wrote: You'd lose. is played out of turn.
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| Author: | DrStraw [ Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What's your response to the "drunken joseki"? |
Joelnelsonb wrote: If You've seen Nick Sibicky's 100th video lecture where he celebrates by simply playing Go (and getting slightly wasted; hats off to him because my game on ethanol couldn't be worse...) He play's the following opening and has moderate success with it. Since then, I've encountered multiple players giving it a try and I've approached it with different strategies. It appears quite harmless at first glance, however, you soon realize the advantage your opponent is taking by giving himself the ladder in all four corners at the cost of the first move advantage in said corners. So how would you respond? Would you take the empty corners as shown, do something to prevent the ponnuki or something entirely different? I almost never play hoshi so I certainly would not play like this. But I think that suitably placed moves by white on the 3-4 points, with mybe one hoshi to counter the ponnuki, is very playable for white. |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What's your response to the "drunken joseki"? |
It's worth noting that "a ponnuki is worth 30 points" refers to a ponnuki which is the process and shape made by capturing a single stone, i.e. a net tally of 3 moves as your opponent played one which got captured. Building the ponnuki shape with 4 moves whilst your opponent does something else productive is significantly worse. Black's move 1 and 5 are reasonably efficient and some pro I forget actually did that a few times. Also in the recent changing-name-cup a Hong Kong 6d amateur lpayed tengen plus one-point jump either side against Ke Jie 9p which was interesting: http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/51838 (registration needed). |
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What's your response to the "drunken joseki"? |
Joelnelsonb wrote: IMO, Black has lost about one stone, i. e., one move. |
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