Lee Sedol vs Western Pros

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:30 am

it will be hard for lee to win but very possible.

i remember i played two stone against strong player and lose good game at the end every time.
three stone it appears impossible for them to beat me but somehow they find a way to beat me time to time. three stone i have advantage but very hard to finish them clean.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:49 am

I don't share this optimism. I think Taranu is clearly the strongest of the three pros and three stones is simply too much.

That being said, I absolutely can't wait to see it.

As an aside, who wants to see pro games on smaller boards? And why hasn't this been done in ages?

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:30 am

Phoenix wrote:I think Taranu is clearly the strongest of the three pros and three stones is simply too much.

Clearly not the strongest to me. Ilya Shikshin and Catalin are about the same strength, and if I had to pick one I'd say Ilya stronger, and Andy Liu is stronger than Ilya. Maybe Catalin at his peak strength 10 years ago is stronger, but he's rusty now from not playing professionally anymore.

Plus there was Lee's comments on his game with Catalin where he essentially said he had already won by around move 45.

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:22 am

Uberdude and Phoenix, what are you basing the relative judgments on?

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:38 am

Phoenix wrote:I don't share this optimism. I think Taranu is clearly the strongest of the three pros and three stones is simply too much.

That being said, I absolutely can't wait to see it.

As an aside, who wants to see pro games on smaller boards? And why hasn't this been done in ages?

I believe that with 9x9 tournament in Japan, the pros started to play the same game each time and so it wasn't the best viewing. (I may be wrong, of course.)

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:02 am

hyperpape wrote:Uberdude and Phoenix, what are you basing the relative judgments on?

Ilya's and Catalin's record in European tournaments and against each other (e.g. the final in Bordeaux EGC which Ilya won with his trademark fighting, Catalin is probably better at opening), Ilya's and Andy's KGS records, Lee's comments on the games and how long black maintained the advantage, Ilya losing to Kim Youngsam fairly convincingly but Andy beating him or only losing by 0.5 (I forget and no AGAGD to check)...

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:25 am

http://test.agagd.usgo.org/ <-- your lucky day.

Thanks for the explanation.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:03 am

I`ll have to admit I wasn't basing my judgement on anything tangible.

Uberdude is much better informed than I am.

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:41 am

hyperpape wrote:http://test.agagd.usgo.org/ <-- your lucky day.

Hmm, I can't find Kim Youngsam in there. I think it was a Canadian tournament, maybe Toronto?

VincentCB · Post by **VincentCB** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:20 pm

Andy Liu and Kim Youngsam played at the last Canadian Open in Gatineau (Ottawa). Whoever won that game would win the tournament. Andy won by 0.5 points, after an opening where he was far behind (20-30 points I think according to Guo Juan). It was quite a game

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:14 pm

VincentCB wrote:Andy Liu and Kim Youngsam played at the last Canadian Open in Gatineau (Ottawa). Whoever won that game would win the tournament. Andy won by 0.5 points, after an opening where he was far behind (20-30 points I think according to Guo Juan). It was quite a game

Thanks for clarifying. Do you have the game record?

xed_over · Post by **xed_over** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:26 pm

Uberdude wrote:
VincentCB wrote:Andy Liu and Kim Youngsam played at the last Canadian Open in Gatineau (Ottawa). Whoever won that game would win the tournament. Andy won by 0.5 points, after an opening where he was far behind (20-30 points I think according to Guo Juan). It was quite a game
Thanks for clarifying. Do you have the game record?

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:06 pm

Looks like we won't be seeing a Lee Sedol 3-stone game after all. Bummer.

http://www.go9dan.com/Home/Promotion/4

p2501 · Post by **p2501** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:59 pm

Go9Dan wrote:The 10 game match between Sedol Lee and three Western pros, Catalin Taranu, Gansheng Shi and Andy Liu, has been called after eight fascinating games, as the Western pros were “out of the money.”

Wait what? Out of money? Were they paying to play?

Vesa · Post by **Vesa** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:11 am

p2501 wrote:
Go9Dan wrote:The 10 game match between Sedol Lee and three Western pros, Catalin Taranu, Gansheng Shi and Andy Liu, has been called after eight fascinating games, as the Western pros were “out of the money.”
Wait what? Out of money? Were they paying to play?

Professional matches are always sponsored by someone. I guess Go9Dan could use a little bit better PR language.

Cheers,
Vesa

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