Life In 19x19 :: 2016 Samsung Cup

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Uberdude [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:25 am ]

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Re: 2016 Samsung Cup

Dissapointed to see Shibano Toramaru 2d knocked out by Kang Seungmin in the last round, but good to see some young Japanese players venturing out into international tournaments. Ida Atsushi 8d scraped through in the penultimate round with a half point win against Korean amateur Kim Huisoo after a load of stones died / were sacrificed in a huge spreading corner fight in exchange for a huge moyo, in which Kim made a massive Ko but Ida had too many threats from the dead stones. Ida's final game was interesting in that he wilfully played himself into what is usually considered a joseki mistake (afaik) and died but got some outside in exchange, see diagram and link below. And near the end of my transcription I'm not sure why Kim bothered to play the b11 atari if he didn't fight the ko there, maybe it's a probe in that if he directly a3 then black wouldn't b12 (because then white b11 for a11 is an unconditionally bad exchange) but tenuki (and connect the ko if atarid later?) and white wanted to get sente, but then why not just take sente immediately? Maybe the k6 aji relevant, or was it just a bluff which Ida (who seems to have a lot of fighting spirit) called so he had to concede?

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And congratulations to Ali Jabarin, here's a picture Blackie (Kim Seungjun 9p) posted of them reviewing:

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Author:	trout [ Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:28 am ]
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Combined preliminary; Group A-N (General public) 1st round 7/15/16 2nd round 7/16/16 3rd round 7/18/16 4th round 7/19/16 final round 7/20/16 Group O-P (Senior) 1st round 7/15/16 2nd round 7/16/16 3rd round 7/18/16 4th round 7/19/16 final round 7/20/16 Group Q (World) 1st round 7/17/16 2nd round 7/18/16 3rd round 7/9/16 final round 7/20/16 Group R-S (Women) 1st round 7/15/16 2nd round 7/16/16 3rd round 7/18/16 4th round 7/19/16 final round 7/20/16 ■ Seeded players(Main tournament) ㆍKorea : Lee Sedol, Kang Dongyoon, Park Junghwan, Lee Donghoon, Shin Jinseo ㆍChina : Ke Jie, Shi Yue, Tang Wayxing, Chen Yaoye, Zhou Ruiyang, Gu Li(Wild card)) ㆍJapan : Cho Chihoon, Ichiriki Ryo ■ Main Tournament; . Round of 32: 9/4 - 9/8/16 ㆍRound of 16: 10/6/16 ㆍRound of 8: 10/8/16 ㆍSemi Final(3 games): 10/31 - 11/2/16 ㆍFina;(3 games): 12/6 - 12/8/16

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Author:	1/7,000,000,000 [ Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:32 am ]
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Cho Chikun?! Really Japan?

Author:	Krama [ Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:36 am ]
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Japan should honestly admit that they suck at go compared to Korea and China and create a huge reform in how they teach students and organize tournaments.

Author:	trout [ Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:14 pm ]
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Kim Jieseok and Lee Changho were eliminated in their first game by Kang Seungmin and Ryu Soohang respectively.

Author:	Uberdude [ Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:18 am ]
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In the world group Mateusz Surma 1p won his first game against some Asian-named (Vietnamese?) amateur 5d and now plays Victor Chow 7d of South Africa. Also Cornel Burzo, Manuel Velasco and Pavol Lisy progressed against lower ranked opponents. http://mateuszsurma.pl/en/2016/07/17/wo ... r-round-1/ Other results I noticed (Mr Kin's now posted full prelim table minus world group at http://igokisen.web.fc2.com/wr/sc.html) were Shibano Toramaru, a young 2d from Japan that Antti Tormanen has mentioned and who often plays training games online won through the first 2 rounds against Park Jinyoung 2d and An Joyeong 9d of Korea. And another upset of a big name to a small name, Park Yeonghun 9d lost to Hu Yuhan 3d from China (19% chance according to goratings.org, of course many other big names went through as expected so it's not unexpected that some big names fall).

Author:	mhlepore [ Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:41 pm ]
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Uberdude wrote: Update from Mateusz: 4 European players in the semi-finals of world group: Cornel Burzo 6d (beat Eric Lui 1p, nice win Cornel!) plays Ali Jabarin 1p (beat Manuel Velasco 6d). Pavol Lisy 1p (beat Andrew Huang 7d) plays Mateusz Surma 1p (beat Victor Chow 7d). Congrats Europe. A bummer, though, to see a linked Victor Chow (aka RoseDuke) game where he doesn't open with 5-5.

Author:	Uberdude [ Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:53 am ]
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mhlepore wrote: A bummer, though, to see a linked Victor Chow (aka RoseDuke) game where he doesn't open with 5-5. Maybe he doesn't play such extravagant moves in serious games? He played the same 4-4 3-3 combo against me in the Pandanet European Team Championships.

Author:	Uberdude [ Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:21 am ]
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Ali beat Cornel and Pavol beat Mateusz (by 3.5). So we have another Ali vs Pavol matchup. Pavol leads Ali 7-4 in head-to-head, but Pavol got stronger earlier than Ali and Ali seems to be doing well recently (e.g. won the 2016 Euro Grand Slam tournament), so I think I might bet on Ali. Either way good news for our new European pros.

Author:	trout [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:20 am ]
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The following players will join seeded players in the main tournament. Tan Xiao, Kang Seungmin, Ida Atsushi, Tong Mengcheng, Li Qincheng, Fan Tingyu, Lao Xingwen, Byun Sangil, Xia Chenkun, Fan Yunruo, Huang Yunsong, Tuo Jiaxi, Jung Daesang, Yu Bin, Liu Jia, Rui Naiwei, Ali Jabarinm Guo Wenchao, Cai Jing Koreans are decimated. ■ Seeded players(Main tournament) ㆍKorea : Lee Sedol, Kang Dongyoon, Park Junghwan, Lee Donghoon, Shin Jinseo ㆍChina : Ke Jie, Shi Yue, Tang Wayxing, Chen Yaoye, Zhou Ruiyang, Gu Li(Wild card)) ㆍJapan : Cho Chihoon, Ichiriki Ryo ■ Main Tournament; . Round of 32: 9/4 - 9/8/16 ㆍRound of 16: 10/6/16 ㆍRound of 8: 10/8/16 ㆍSemi Final(3 games): 10/31 - 11/2/16 ㆍFina;(3 games): 12/6 - 12/8/16

Author:	quantumf [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:54 pm ]
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mhlepore wrote: Congrats Europe. A bummer, though, to see a linked Victor Chow (aka RoseDuke) game where he doesn't open with 5-5. It's been at least five years, but probably more like ten, since he used that opening. He's been doing 4-4,3-3 for ages now. A shame, I agree.

Author:	emeraldemon [ Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:46 pm ]
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Here are the groups sorted by the average elo of the players: A average elo: 3470.75 F average elo: 3459.75 D average elo: 3407.5 E average elo: 3399.25 G average elo: 3354.0 B average elo: 3330.5 C average elo: 3305.0 H average elo: 3262.5 Group A has the strongest average, with Shi Yue, Gu Li, Tong Mencheng, and Lee Donghoon. But I would argue Group F is actually the "Group of Death". Poor Xia Chenkun 6p got trapped with 3 players in the global top 10: Tan Xiao, Huang Yunsong, and Park Junghwan. Tan Xiao has an unlucky distinction: the strongest player I predict will get knocked out this round. Tang Weixing and Lee Sedol got the easiest draws, with relatively little competition in groups C and H. If you're looking for a game to watch tonight, I recommend Tong Mencheng vs Lee Donghoon. goratings has them rated exactly the same at 3455, a complete tossup. They are sitting at #21 and #22 in the world currently. They have never played each other before. Just for fun I calculated the average group opponent for each player, so you can see who got the easiest and hardest draws: F : Average opponent for Xia Chenkun = 3522.6666666666665 G : Average opponent for Jeong Daesang = 3494.6666666666665 A : Average opponent for Lee Donghoon = 3476.0 A : Average opponent for Tong Mengcheng = 3476.0 E : Average opponent for Rui Naiwei = 3475.6666666666665 A : Average opponent for Gu Li = 3471.6666666666665 A : Average opponent for Shi Yue = 3459.3333333333335 F : Average opponent for Tan Xiao = 3452.3333333333335 F : Average opponent for Huang Yunsong = 3449.6666666666665 C : Average opponent for Ali Jabarin = 3443.3333333333335 D : Average opponent for Ichiriki Ryo = 3438.3333333333335 E : Average opponent for Guo Wenchao = 3418.0 F : Average opponent for Park Junghwan = 3414.3333333333335 D : Average opponent for Byun Sangil = 3406.6666666666665 D : Average opponent for Fan Tingyu = 3402.3333333333335 D : Average opponent for Li Qincheng = 3382.6666666666665 E : Average opponent for Kang Dongyoon = 3374.3333333333335 B : Average opponent for Yu Bin = 3370.3333333333335 B : Average opponent for Cho Chikun = 3350.0 E : Average opponent for Ke Jie = 3329.0 B : Average opponent for Cai Jing = 3320.0 G : Average opponent for Zhou Ruiyang = 3312.0 H : Average opponent for Lu Jia = 3311.3333333333335 G : Average opponent for Tuo Jiaxi = 3306.6666666666665 G : Average opponent for Chen Yaoye = 3302.6666666666665 C : Average opponent for Liao Xingwen = 3289.3333333333335 B : Average opponent for Shin Jinseo = 3281.6666666666665 H : Average opponent for Kang Seungmin = 3277.3333333333335 H : Average opponent for Ida Atsushi = 3268.3333333333335 C : Average opponent for Fan Yunruo = 3263.3333333333335 C : Average opponent for Lee Sedol = 3224.0 H : Average opponent for Tang Weixing = 3193.0

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Author:	Uberdude [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:21 am ]
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go4go now has the Ali vs Pavol final from the world group:

Author:	trout [ Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:20 pm ]
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Reminder!!! ■ Main Tournament; . Round of 32: 9/6 - 9/8/16 ㆍRound of 16: 10/4/16 ㆍRound of 8: 10/6/16 ㆍSemi Final(3 games): 10/31 - 11/2/16 ㆍFina;(3 games): 12/6 - 12/8/16

Author:	xiayun [ Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:05 pm ]
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The draw should be tomorrow. Breakdown of players by country: China 20, Korea 8, Japan 3, Israel 1.

Author:	trout [ Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:49 am ]
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Grouping and pairing (Double Elimination) Group A; Lee Donghoon, Tong Mengcheng, Shi Yue, Gu Li 1st round - Lee Donghoon vs Tong Mengcheng, Shi Yue vs Gu Li Group B; Shin Jinseo, Cho Chihoon, Yu Bin, Cai Jing 1st round - Shin Jinseo vs Cho Chihoon, Yu Bin vs Cai Jing Group C; Lee Sedol, Ali Jabarin, Liao Xingwen, Fan Yunruo 1st round - Lee Sedol vs Ali Jabarin, Liao Xingwen vs Fan Yunruo Group D; Byun Sangil, Ichiriki Ryo, Fan Tingyu, Li Qincheng 1st round - Byun Sangil vs Ichiriki Ryo, Fan Tingyu vs Li Qincheng Group E; Kang Dongyoon, Guo Wenchao, Ke Jie, Rui Naiwei 1st round - Kang Dongyoon vs Guo Wenchao, Ke Jie vs Rui Naiwei Group F; Park Junghwan, Tan Xiao, Huang Yunsong, Xia Chenkun 1st round - Park Junghwan vs Tan Xiao, Huang Yunsong vs Xia Chenkun Group G; Jung Daesang, Tuo Jiaxi, Zhou Ruiyang, Chen Yaoye 1st round - Jung Daesang vs Tuo Jiaxi, Zhou Ruiyang vs Chen Yaoye Group H; Kang Seungmin, Tang Weixing, Ida Atzushi, Liu Jia 1st round - Kang Seungmin vs Tang Weixing, Ida Atzushi vs Lu Jia

Author:	macelee [ Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:19 am ]
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Last name should be Lu Jia. Full tournament table here: http://www.go4go.net/go/tournaments/news/1/21

Author:	idontgetit [ Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:05 pm ]
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my chinese sucks, but it seems like a lot of commentators on sina are unhappy with the draw, joking about how they should go gambling in macau instead with that kind of luck, and how Koreans are no.1 in the world at drawing.

Author:	xiayun [ Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:35 pm ]
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Yeah, Korean players definitely got the better end of the draw. Have Gu Li vs. Shi Yue, Fan Ting Yu vs. Li Qincheng, Zhou Ruiyang vs. Chen Yaoye (and Tuo Jiaxi is pretty good too) are just cruel. But the good thing is that it's double-elimination, and 2 players can advance from each group after 3 games. Very thankful that we will see a match between Shin Jinseo and Cho Chikun though. Also Cho Chikun vs. Yu Bin brings back old memories.