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 Post subject: Re: Crazy Sensei: online tutorial for beginners
Post #21 Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:33 am 
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This is a great tool to help beginners learn how to play. I wonder whether you might want to say something about the scoring part being slightly different from what would usually be used online or at a go club. I agree that knowing when the game is over and how to decide which player wins are big difficulties for many beginners and I like that this stone counting scoring (old Chinese) method solves two big problems for beginners. For me a possible difficulty with this scoring method would be when the beginner learning this way goes to a go club. Here in the USA probably most go club members use casual Japanese territory scoring. Especially weaker players, would not know how this stone scoring method works and I can imagine an experienced (say 10k) player playing our beginner correcting her when she starts playing inside her own territory towards the end of the game. I wouldn't want to start people out with the most used rules but maybe have a version of your player software that could score by territory as an option for when the learner is ready to play online or at a club.


My impression is that counting stones is better for the very first games on 5x5. Filling the board is very fast there, anyway. When a beginner understands the game enough to figure out life and death properly, and start to find it tedious to fill-up the board at the end on 9x9, then it might be better to use more traditional rules.

I feel that someone who learned the game with this scoring method will have no difficulty to adjust to usual methods, anyway.

I wanted to design the web site in such a way that the visitor can start playing as soon as possible. In my original plan, I wanted to introduce Chinese scoring for 9x9. But I was maybe a bit lazy, so I left stone-count scoring for all board sizes. I will probably add Chinese scoring in the future as an option.

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Post #22 Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:16 am 
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My impression is that counting stones is better for the very first games on 5x5. Filling the board is very fast there, anyway. When a beginner understands the game enough to figure out life and death properly, and start to find it tedious to fill-up the board at the end on 9x9, then it might be better to use more traditional rules.


Hmmm. I might be a good idea to have the beginners play on the 7x7 after the 5x5. :)

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Post #23 Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:33 am 
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The computer passes first when there are no other possible moves to play, as far as I can tell.

nope. if it does, there's no obvious indication that it does.

Dunno, it passes first when I try it.


ok, I finally got it to pass first -- I think. I can't really tell. Its not obvious at all. There's absolutely no indication of what just happened. Maybe its my browser/os

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Post #24 Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:19 am 
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here's a one time display bug... I'll see if I can get it to happen again. might just my my problem, as my browser frequently runs low on memory with so many tabs open.

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here's what the position should look like at :W44:
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[go]$$m43
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . O O X . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X |
$$ | . . O X X X X X O |
$$ | . . . O O O . O O |
$$ | . O O X X . O O . |
$$ | . X X . X O W X . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------[/go]


It happened just after playing the 2-2 stone in the lower right


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Post #25 Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:08 am 
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here's a one time display bug... I'll see if I can get it to happen again. might just my my problem, as my browser frequently runs low on memory with so many tabs open.


Thanks for the bug report. What is your OS & browser?

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Post #26 Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:59 am 
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here's a one time display bug... I'll see if I can get it to happen again. might just my my problem, as my browser frequently runs low on memory with so many tabs open.


Thanks for the bug report. What is your OS & browser?

Firefox (47.0.1) on Mac (10.11.5)


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