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Post #1 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:28 am 
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I've collected all of Master's games and cleaned up the SGF. Feedback welcome.

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Thanks, a few rank corrections:
Shin Jinseo 6p
Meng Tailing 6p
Tan Xiao 7p
Lian Xiao 7p
Yang Dingxin 5p
Huang Yunsong 6p (was very recently 5p, not sure when promoted)
Gi Zihao 5p
Yu Zhiying 5p
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Thank you, updated. Also, the link has changed in the original post - Dropbox messed it up, so now I'm hosting the zip file on some domain that I own.

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Thanks, Marcel and Uberdude … awesome!

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The game today versus Gu Li was pretty interesting: Gu went for a centre strategy presumably to counter Master's centre style but it got poked down enough to a 2.5 point loss. Nice try though! And a cute endgame corner life in bottom right.

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Marcel Grünauer wrote:
I've collected all of Master's games and cleaned up the SGF.

Good - 60 games added to alphago.tgz.

(Marcel gave a good start. I polished the SGF, removed a duplicate, added a missing game, added time stamps, provided a chronological numbering 1..60 of the games.
SGF FF[4] does not allow time stamps in the DT field, but they are useful, especially in cases like this where players and date do not identify the game, and I use the format DT[yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss]. For the first 50 games I know hh:mm:ss, but for the last 10 games only hh:mm.
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2016-12-29 19:01:34      146  W+R  NN  Magist  T01.sgf
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2016-12-30 11:45:39      136  W+R  NN  Master  T12.sgf
2016-12-30 12:06:51      144  W+R  atomy  Master  T13.sgf
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2016-12-31 21:18:19      186  W+R  Tang Weixing  Master  T30.sgf
2017-01-01 23:23:09      179  B+R  Master  Li Qincheng  F31.sgf
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2017-01-03 22:13:23      178  W+R  Ke Jie  Master  F50.sgf
2017-01-04 09:35      118  W+R  Zhou Junxun  Master  F51.sgf
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2017-01-04 22:33      235  W+2.5  Gu Li  Master  F60.sgf


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Thanks to corrections from aeb, I've now included the round number in the game information and also the filenames. So it's easier to refer to "game 14" or "game 59", for example. Also various other fixes.

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Please find attached a collection of diagrams, resultling from Many Faces of Go's "Game Win Rate Graph ..." feature, applied on all of the 60 games.

As a matter of course, these graphs have to be taken with several grains of salt, due to MFGo's "strength".
However, it is only ONE analyst at work, so there might be the chance of comparison between different games.

(Please note that using MFGo for this kind of analysis is the easiest and fastest option; CrazyStone, for example, will be much more time-consuming).

You will realise that -- sooner or later -- typically there is a "point of no return", after which the graph develops in one direction only. This course seems to be the "usual" one for games of AlphaGo, being stronger than her opponents.

The only game that shows the "typical" course (using MFGo for analysis) of a game between human top-players of similar strength (oszillating around the 50 % value for a very long time) is No. 48 against Park Junghwan.
However, CrazyStone (DeepLearning version) has it quite one-sided again, as you can see on the very last page of the PDF.


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Post #9 Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:32 am 
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Marcel, aeb,

I don't know whether you read the computer-go mailing list, therefore I’ll quote from Horace Hu who replied to my reply in which I posted Marcel’s “Master Files” link, maybe this adds some possibly missing information? (I haven’t yet looked into both your archives ;) )

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To: computer-go <computer-go@computer-go.org>
Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?


The players and the results (in Chinese):

第01局:Magist(P)执白 v. 满汉(P)(棋手真名不详),白中盘胜
第02局:Magist(P)执白 v. 燕归来(P)(棋手真名不详),白中盘胜
第03局:圣人(P)(棋手真名不详)执白 v. Magist(P),黑中盘胜
第04局:Magist(P)执白 v. 卧虎(P)(谢尔豪 ),白中盘胜
第05局:无痕(P)(於之莹)执白 v. Magist(P),黑中盘胜
第06局:翱翔(P)(李翔宇)执白 v. Magist(P),黑中盘胜
第07局:重逢时(P)(棋手真名不详)执白 v. Magist(P),黑中盘胜
第08局:Magist(P)执白 v. 三齐王(P)(韩一洲 ),白中盘胜
第09局:愿我能(P)(孟泰龄)执白 v. Magist(P),黑胜4目半(黑贴6目半)
第10局:Magist(P)执白 v. 愿我能(P)(孟泰龄),白中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第11局:Master(P)执白 v. 风雨(P)(棋手真名不详),白中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第12局:Master(P)执白 v. atomy(P)(棋手真名不详),白中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第13局:Master(P)执白 v. 远山君(P)(棋手真名不详),白中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第14局:斩立决(P)(严在明)执白 v. Master(P),黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第15局:Master(P)执白 v. XIUZHI(P)(朴廷桓),白时间胜(黑贴6目半)
第16局:Master(P)执白 v. 剑术(P)(连笑),白中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第17局:Master(P)执白 v. 剑术(P)(连笑),白中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第18局:吻别(P)(疑似柯洁)执白v. Master(P),黑胜5目半(黑贴6目半)
第19局:Master(P)执白 v. 吻别(P)(疑似柯洁),白中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第20局:XIUZHI(P)(朴廷桓)执白 v. Master(P),黑胜5目半(黑贴6目半)
第21局:Master(P)执白 v. 龙胆(P)(陈耀烨 ),白胜5目半(黑贴6目半)
第22局:Master(P)执白 v. 龙胆(P)(陈耀烨),白胜4目半(黑贴6目半)
第23局:abc2080(P)(金志锡)执白 v. Master(P),黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第24局:XIUZHI(P)(朴廷桓)执白 v. Master(P),黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第25局:Master(P)执白 v. XIUZHI(P)(朴廷桓),白胜半目(黑贴6目半)
第26局:dauning(P)(李东勋)执白 v. Master(P),黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第27局:ddcg(范廷钰 )执白 v. Master(P),黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第28局:愿我能(P)(孟泰龄)执白 v. Master(P),黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第29局:Master(P)执白 v. 拼搏(P)(芈昱廷),白胜半目(黑贴6目半)
第30局:Master(P)执白 v. 930115(唐韦星),白中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第31局:Master 执黑 v. black2012(李钦诚),黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第32局:星宿老仙(古力)执黑 v. Master,白中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第33局:Master执黑 v. 星宿老仙(古力),黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第34局:Master执黑 v. 我想静静了(党毅飞),黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第35局:若水云寒(江维杰)执黑 v. Master,白胜1目半(黑贴6目半)
第36局:Master执黑 v. 印城之霸(辜梓豪),黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第37局:Master执黑 v. pyh(朴永训) ,黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第38局:Master执黑 v. 天选(柁嘉熹),黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第39局:Master执黑 v. jpgo01(井山裕太),黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第40局:愿我能(孟泰龄)执黑 v. Master ,白胜2目半(黑贴6目半)
第41局:airforce9(金志锡)执黑 v. Master ,白中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第42局:Master执黑 v. 时间之虫(杨鼎新),共125手,黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第43局:Master执黑 v. piaojie(姜东润) ,共165手,黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第44局:spinmove(安成浚)执黑 v. Master ,共260手,白胜2目半(黑贴6目半)
第45局:Master执黑 v. 炼心(时越) ,共167手,黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第46局:剑过无声(连笑)执黑 v. Master ,共144手,白中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第47局:Master执黑 v. 段誉(檀啸),共191手,黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第48局:maker(朴廷桓)执黑 v. Master,共270手,白胜1目半(黑贴6目半)
第49局:wonfun(元晟溱)执黑 v. Master ,共222手,白中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第50局:潜伏(柯洁)执黑 v. Master ,共178手,白中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第51局:周俊勳执黑 v. Master ,共118手,白中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第52局:ykpcx(范廷钰)执黑 v. Master,共202手,白中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第53局:Master执黑 v. 孔明(黄云嵩),共133手,黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第54局:Master执黑 v. 聂卫平,共254手,黑胜7目半(黑贴6目半)
第55局:谜团(陈耀烨;孟泰龄)执黑 v. Master ,共267手,白胜1目半(黑贴6目半)
第56局:Master执黑 v. shadowpow(赵汉乘),共171手,黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第57局:Master执黑 v. nparadigm(申真谞),共139手,黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第58局:小香馋猫(常昊)执黑 v. Master,共178手,白中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第59局:Master执黑 v. Eason (周睿羊),共161手,黑中盘胜(黑贴6目半)
第60局:古力执黑 v. Master,共235手,白胜2目半(黑贴6目半)

Source: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4922688212

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Post #10 Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:18 am 
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Bonobo wrote:
第01局:Magist(P)执白 v. 满汉(P)(棋手真名不详),白中盘胜


Thanks! 棋手真名不详 seems to mean that the player's real name is unknown.

Thanks to your list and to aeb's information about Fox game time settings I've updated the archive.

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Please find attached the results of CrazyStone DeepLearning's analysis (with "depth=low") for all the games.

+ + + + +

"AnalysisCrazyStone.txt" (renamed to "*.pdf" for upload) contains the export in its specific "Learning"-file-format (for those who want to do their own tables etc., I added TABs for your convenience).
UKBWR = P (B wins)
UKPO = nunber of playouts
UKS = "Situation" = estimated score
UKR = "Dispersion" = range of uncertainty for UKS

Don't know what the other parameters mean. Unfortunately, CS's suggested moves are not exported.

+ + + + + +

"CrazyStoneLowP-Bwins.txt" (renamed to "*.pdf" for upload)

is an export from Excel and contains only all the values for UKBWR.

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CrazyStoneP-Bwins.pdf

contains diagrams for UKBWR (10 games per page), values are taken from every fifth moves, to "flatten" the curves.


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Post #12 Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:59 pm 
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Uberdude wrote:
Thanks, a few rank corrections:
Shin Jinseo 6p
Meng Tailing 6p
Tan Xiao 7p
Lian Xiao 7p
Yang Dingxin 5p
Huang Yunsong 6p (was very recently 5p, not sure when promoted)
Gi Zihao 5p
Yu Zhiying 5p
Lee Donghun 8p

Huang was promoted effective 12/31 (see announcement below) and so was 6p at the time of the game on 1/04.
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Post #13 Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:12 pm 
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you have game 13 as atomy, but according to Bonobo's post, atomy should be game 12. Not sure which should be switched, the game name or the game contents.
Marcel Grünauer wrote:
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第12局:Master(P)执白 v. atomy(P)(棋手真名不详),白中盘胜(黑贴6目半)


Thanks! 棋手真名不详 seems to mean that the player's real name is unknown.

Thanks to your list and to aeb's information about Fox game time settings I've updated the archive.

But even though their real name's are not known, at least their online nicknames are known (and the server does recognize them as pro, so someone, somewhere knows their true identity). Maybe someday, we'll learn their identities.

Unknown - 1 (满汉), 2 (燕归来), 3 (圣人), 7 (重逢时), 11 (风雨), 12 (atomy), 13 (远山君)

which I think might be pronounced something like this? (from Google translate):
1 (mǎn hàn/man3han4), 2 (yàn guīlái/yan4gui1lai2), 3 (shèngrén/shen4gren2), 7 (chóngféng shí/chong2feng2shi2), 11 (fēngyǔ/feng1yu3), 12 (atomy), 13 (yuǎn shān jūn/yuan3shan1jun1)

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Post #14 Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:40 pm 
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Not sure which should be switched, the game name or the game contents.

contents are correct, just the game numbers need to be switched.

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xed_over wrote:
Not sure which should be switched, the game name or the game contents.

contents are correct, just the game numbers need to be switched.


Thanks, fixed.

Edit: thanks, aeb, reverted to previous version. :)

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1. The Chinese list above carefully specifies the komi for games 9-60. For games 1-8 it does not mention komi. Were these games at no komi?

2. The list marks the attribution of Ke Jie as uncertain when playing as Wen Bie.

3. Game 55 is listed as a 2 versus 1 team game. Do we know under what conditions Chen and Meng played?


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There was a video posted somewhere here in the forum showing Chen and Meng playing live on WeiqiTV. I don't speak chinese, but from the description (and if I remember correctly), Chen would make the decision based on Meng's input. At 30sec/move, I wonder how much input Meng could realistically provide.

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aeb wrote:
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2016-12-30 11:45:39      136  W+R  NN  Master  T12.sgf
2016-12-30 12:06:51      144  W+R  atomy  Master  T13.sgf
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you have game 13 as atomy, but according to Bonobo's post, atomy should be game 12. Not sure which should be switched, the game name or the game contents.

The reason I gave the times for T12 and T13 is to show that T13 is later.
On the net there was confusion about the order, and this is the chronological order.

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aeb wrote:
aeb wrote:
Code:
2016-12-30 11:45:39      136  W+R  NN  Master  T12.sgf
2016-12-30 12:06:51      144  W+R  atomy  Master  T13.sgf
xed_over wrote:
you have game 13 as atomy, but according to Bonobo's post, atomy should be game 12. Not sure which should be switched, the game name or the game contents.

The reason I gave the times for T12 and T13 is to show that T13 is later.
On the net there was confusion about the order, and this is the chronological order.

In that case, its the game contents that should be switched, instead of the filenames

edit: oh nevermind, I understand now


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John Fairbairn wrote:
1. The Chinese list above carefully specifies the komi for games 9-60. For games 1-8 it does not mention komi. Were these games at no komi?

while its not mentioned in the list titles, it is included in the posted game records, same as the rest: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4922688212

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PB[三齐王]BR[P]PW[Magist]WR[P]KM[6.5]TM[限制时间 0分 20秒 读秒 3番]RE[白 中盘胜]
AN[分先 \: 黑贴 6目半]MULTIGOGM[1]

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