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Offline Banaan
 Post subject: Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Post #41 Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 3:03 am 
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W splits the side!

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[go]$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this is the most logical move, I was also thinking of going into the corner (q3), but I dont really like the results there (yet?). I think splitting the side first is better.

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[go]$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . 6 , 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . 5 . 4 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . 8 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline levanez
 Post subject: Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Post #42 Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:18 am 
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That's a move I didn't expect, I was waiting for an approach move either on the top or bottom. Banaan, give me some time to think on this. Since I won't be home til later tonight and Monday's looking to be quite busy, it may take me a while to come up with a response. But rest assured I won't forget our game ;)
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Offline levanez
 Post subject: Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Post #43 Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:17 pm 
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Banaan thanks for waiting. Here's my response:

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[go]$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I decided to enclose the corner. It's the last big move left, and if white got to make an approach move, my resulting influence'd be negated by that white stone.
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Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Post #44 Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:47 pm 
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O16. 'Cause you virtually NEVER get the chance to play those high approaches!

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Offline EdLee
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Post #45 Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 2:08 am 
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Loons,
Loons wrote:
W(a). 'Cause you virtually NEVER get the chance to play those high approaches!
W(a) seems wrong direction: :ws: is already strong, so W wants to help the weaker stone :wc:; :w1: feels like better direction:
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X @ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O @ @ X . @ . . @ . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X @ . . . . . , . . . a . X . . . |
$$ | . X X @ . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . @ . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Banaan
 Post subject: Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Post #46 Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 2:47 am 
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[go]$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Plan of attack: Settle on the right (in sente, must me possible :P), and invade the bottom!
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Offline levanez
 Post subject: Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Post #47 Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 5:43 am 
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Black caps.


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[go]$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . 7 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I want to use this capping move to work my way into the center, which would be useful if white plans to develop some kind of moyo there, or if he invades the lower side and fighting broke out. If white's answer to the cap somehow makes the situation complicated (a cut, for example), it'd still be preferable than giving him a direct chance to invade the bottom, since a normal answer for black here almost always end in gote.
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Offline Banaan
 Post subject: Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Post #48 Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 6:48 am 
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White defends!

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[go]$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Levanez, I dont mind if your move takes longer than a day. I have a lot of time this week (only studying this week), so thats whymy moves are pretty fast.


Didnt expect that move at all, and I dont really know the reasoning behind it. Maybe he's aiming to cut at f18 later, but that doesnt worry me that much. Even if it did, its too slow to protect now w.

Ill just protect my weakness, and invade the bottom after. Also, the corner is still open ^^

I was also thinking about sliding into the corner, but then b has this move:
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[go]$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . 8 . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not a good result, considering I'm going to invade the bottom in a couple of moves ^^
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Offline levanez
 Post subject: Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Post #49 Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:40 am 
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[go]$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . 9 . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I feel like this is where I need to start covering the weakness in the bottom and make it harder for white to invade. I'm willing to give the upper corner to white should he choose to take it. Btw a lot of my moves at this stage are based on feeling and not sound analysis, since there are a lot of possibilities everywhere. I tried laying out various positions on the board but then just started following endless variations which may or may not happen.
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Offline Banaan
 Post subject: Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Post #50 Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:33 am 
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White takes sansan!

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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


hmm wouldnt have guessed that move. Black looks a bit overconcentrated there now. and still, a weakness at h3 remains. And also the bottom right corner is not completely safe.

Anyway, my plan of attack now:
- Attack blacks top right, sansan is the keypoint for that (taking blacks base)
- Black runs, I chase and get strong in the center
- Invade the bottom!

Im a bit concerned about the weakness at f18, but that will be fine. Its only 2 versus a lot!
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Offline levanez
 Post subject: Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Post #51 Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 12:11 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . 3 O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I expected that. Blocking on this side is better, since white must connect at R15, which gives me time to extend to somewhere on the top.
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Offline Banaan
 Post subject: Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Post #52 Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 12:16 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Speaks for itself I guess. The spoiler is to let him think I have a very ingenious plan. I wish i had...
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Offline Mnemonic
 Post subject: Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Post #53 Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:08 pm 
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I'm guessing black 33 is part of the "first Malkovich game" syndrome. I found it very hard to play a consistent game the first time I played a correspondence game, especially with Malkovich games where you can talk yourself into playing a certain move.

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Offline levanez
 Post subject: Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Post #54 Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 3:04 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is where white (should) connect(s). Next I plan to cap white's L17:

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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . b . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . c 7 a . . . 5 6 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think (a) and (b) are white's likeliest responses, and I've worked some rather good continuations. I still need to work on (c), maybe we'll both make a box on either side. White may also choose to tenuki and invade the bottom right away, which will become another fight for sente for me.
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Offline Banaan
 Post subject: Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Post #55 Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 3:48 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . X 6 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Hidden until upper right 1/4 of the board completely settled,
The :bc: group seems quite inefficient, with :bt: at a funny place.
If W gets something like (a), the whole black group can even become a target:
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[go]$$Bm33
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . B O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . a . B O . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . B 6 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . Y . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline levanez
 Post subject: Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Post #57 Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 12:18 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . 7 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Since my first stone on the top right corner is 4-4, the best use I can get out of it is to erase any potential white has in the center. Giving white the upper left side is acceptable since the balance of territory seems equal to me at this point. There are 2 weaknesses on the bottom, H4 and S4, but white can only take advantage of one of them, and either way I can solidify or even gain additional territory on the sides.
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Offline EdLee
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Hidden until the end-game, or the top half of the board settled, whichever is earlier:
levanez wrote:
Since my first stone on the top right corner is 4-4, the best use I can get out of it is to erase any potential white has in the center.
Is :w1: severe? B is not aware :bc: is already heavy and maybe in some trouble:
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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . B O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . B O . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . X . 1 . . B O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . B . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
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Offline Banaan
 Post subject: Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Post #59 Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 10:31 am 
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . X 8 . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I know! I shouldnt touch stones! I just couldnt find a better move :p I thought of a couple of other ones (maybe some kind of cap-thing like l13 or even n14), but that loos a bit mild, and theres still a lot of aji in the cut at f18. I dont want to push him there.
So, this is my move! I think I can cut him.
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