95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

judicata · Post by **judicata** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:45 am

Helel wrote: @Everyone:

Posting of sequences really don't save that much time and they have the potential to cause confusion about what has been played and what's only been suggested. Are they really necessary? Would people miss them if they were disallowed?

What do you mean disallowed? There aren't really referees for Malkovich games--if the players want to say "no suggested sequences" at the outset of the game (just as they sometimes do with whether to allow joseki lookup) they certainly may.

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:50 am

Just change the caption of the diagram.

(EDIT: oh, I missed a page. Well at least you know no one is lying to you...)

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:24 am

Helel wrote:Posting of sequences really don't save that much time and they have the potential to cause confusion about what has been played and what's only been suggested.

Save time compared to what? I'm not sure I follow.

Helel wrote:Are they really necessary?

No.

Helel wrote:Would people miss them if they were disallowed?

I certainly would.

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:24 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm36 Captured Stones: W 0 B 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . X X W . . . . . . . . . . O X O . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

What is this discussion all about?

Balmung: I meant for the captured stones to indicate the actual color of the stones captured, not the stones that each side has captured. Feel free to change it if you dislike it.

judicata · Post by **judicata** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:26 am

Helel wrote:What did you think I meant?

I had no idea. It seems an odd thing for the moderators to moderate.

@Aphelion: Sorry, this was on-topic coming from a hidden comment, but it is probably not good to keep the discussion going in a Malkovich game.

judicata · Post by **judicata** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:30 am

Helel wrote:Given the clarity of mind that usually characterizes your posts I find it utterly unlikely that you didn't understand this immediately. You are obviously making yourself willfully obtuse. Why?

Since Shawshank Redemption has been playing on cable recently, I associate the word "obtuse" as something more offensive than it actually is.

Seriously, I didn't know if you meant some collective action, official moderator statement, or something else. Of course, moderator intervention did come to mind.

Helel wrote:I took the relevant part out of hiding in the above post. I didn't intend to start a discussion here and I will not post more about the subject in this tread.

It isn't Helel's fault--the discussion really is relevant to an important comment that was made, as discussions naturally flow.

balmung · Post by **balmung** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:36 am

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yoyoma · Post by **yoyoma** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:29 pm

In Go you can't follow your opponent around the board. You have to have kiai/fighting spirit/ willpower!

I view considering and accepting/rejecting your opponent's suggested sequences as a part of this.

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:40 pm

I looked through the entire game and only found one sequence that I posted:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm8 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I didn't think much about this because this is joseki and such a standard choice in this position. However, it seems that there is some unhappiness / argument about it. I would request that we go back to this position because I don't want to win a game this way.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm8 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Balmung, its to you.

balmung · Post by **balmung** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:51 pm

I mean it's fine either way but I guess we could start from there. Okay I will post the move I wanted to play

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Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:27 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:29 pm

balmung · Post by **balmung** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:45 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . B , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

judicata · Post by **judicata** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:51 pm

balmung, do you have time to post your expected continuation or your thoughts?

schultz · Post by **schultz** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:53 pm

daniel_the_smith wrote:
Wow, very gracious of Aphelion... White had a won game IMO.

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