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Offline cloud
 Post subject: Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)
Post #101 Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:16 pm 
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Should be move 72, fixed it in mine.

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[go]$$Bcm72 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . O O O O O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X . X . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My view on the game:

I agree that black is leading slightly. The game will come down to this fight in the center, in my opinion.
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Offline Tommie
 Post subject: Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)
Post #102 Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:10 am 
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Magicwand wrote:
for obs only:
:b1: is my first instinct..does it work?
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hey, Magic!

Just browsing through this game ....
(some really weak-shape moves occur in game, variations or reasonings)

If you saw this move in a flash !!!,
then you are either magically , super-strong :bow:
and/or
sometimes it doesn't work! :D

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)
Post #103 Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:01 am 
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Tommie wrote:
Hey, Magic!

Just browsing through this game ....
(some really weak-shape moves occur in game, variations or reasonings)

If you saw this move in a flash !!!,
then you are either magically , super-strong :bow:
and/or
sometimes it doesn't work! :D


yes, i did see that move in a flash.
but i also had a feeling that might not produce good result.

i am sure that you would have seen that in a flash also. :bow:

it was an intresting tesuji that will cover two weakness at one move.
it would have been nice if the result was good as that tesuji's appearance.

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Offline cloud
 Post subject: Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)
Post #104 Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:40 am 
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Tommie wrote:
Magicwand wrote:
for obs only:
:b1: is my first instinct..does it work?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hey, Magic!

Just browsing through this game ....
(some really weak-shape moves occur in game, variations or reasonings)

If you saw this move in a flash !!!,
then you are either magically , super-strong :bow:
and/or
sometimes it doesn't work! :D


Geez, you could hide this you know. Now I'm really curious :-?
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)
Post #105 Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:48 am 
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cloud wrote:
Geez, you could hide this you know. Now I'm really curious :-?


you can open that hide tag.
it will not effect the game.

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Offline Puppycakes
 Post subject: Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)
Post #106 Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:01 pm 
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Shapewise, this looks much better to me. Perhaps it puts less pressure on black? Or perhaps it has weaker follow ups?
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[go]$$Bcm72 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . W . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X . X . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline cloud
 Post subject: Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)
Post #107 Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:30 pm 
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@Puppycakes
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[go]$$Bcm72 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . W . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X . X . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I strongly considered this move. If I was winning I would play it without hesitation, but I feel like I need to play stronger in order to make something happen. Also, with the potential cut at L13, I feel that there is enough aji that I can fight if I need to.
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Offline Shaddy
 Post subject: Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)
Post #108 Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:24 pm 
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Oh, how tempted I am to push and cut. Must read more..
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Offline Shaddy
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Post #109 Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:23 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm72 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O O O O O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X . X . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 5 . O 4 . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline cloud
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Post #110 Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:57 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm72 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O O O O O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X . X . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 . . O . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . O O . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Shaddy
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Post #111 Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 7:31 am 
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[go]$$Bcm72 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O O O O O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X . X . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O 7 . O . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . O O . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm very sorry for the long wait. I put it off, and then there was a mountain of work and finals on top of that, so I didn't have time to analyze like I wanted..
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)
Post #112 Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 5:01 pm 
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IMHO, either 76 or 77 was an overplay. I can't figure out which.

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