86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)

Jedo · Post by **Jedo** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:32 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm131 Prisoner White:6 Black:9 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | O . O X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . | $$ | . O O X X X O X . X X X O O . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . | $$ | . X O O 6 X . O . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . | $$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . | $$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . | $$ | X . X O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . | $$ | X X . X O . . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Yeah, this is bad. I'll probably come out of this with sente but white's group will escape. I played this because it threatens two eyes, and if white tries to take my second one away he doesnt have enough liberties to kill

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Assuming he just takes the ko, I guess I'll just live

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This really takes a lot of my points, and it'll be tough to have enough to beat MWs endgame

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:40 pm

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cyclops · Post by **cyclops** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:03 pm

Hidden for both:

edit: one of my stupidest contributions forever. I didnt realize W gets an extra liberty in the ko.

Li Kao · Post by **Li Kao** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:53 pm

@cyclops

Jedo · Post by **Jedo** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:56 pm

I resign.

Thank you for the game Magicwand. I enjoyed playing with you. When I'm stronger, I would love to play with you again.

As for the game itself, I feel my opening was terrible, and I got off to such a bad start that I had to look after my own weak groups for a while. With the current ko situation in the bottom left, and I don't see a way to win this game.

I'll go read the comments now, and sorry I couldn't give you a better game.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:10 pm

thank you for the game.

i think white is winning..but still there is ko. you should at least try to fight ko.
if you can solidify rest of the board then you still have a chance.
below is my prediction for future few moves.

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:41 am

hyperpape wrote:For obs: Assuming Magicwand is right about killing, shouldn't Black restart the ko and use the upper white group's need to live as a source of threats? Would this work/is it a good idea?

you might be right but thing is that it is a two stpe ko so game was over already.
i would capture his stones to rid of ko threats and it will still be ko and he doesnt have any other ko threats.
so i would gain sente because he has use get life threat in gote.

IMO after he played ugly move to solidify his points leaving bad aji he didnt have any chance of winning.

Jedo · Post by **Jedo** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:46 am

Magicwand wrote:
IMO after he played ugly move to solidify his points leaving bad aji he didnt have any chance of winning.

Which move are you referring to?

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:51 am

Magicwand wrote:
hyperpape wrote:For obs: Assuming Magicwand is right about killing, shouldn't Black restart the ko and use the upper white group's need to live as a source of threats? Would this work/is it a good idea?
you might be right but thing is that it is a two stpe ko so game was over already.
i would capture his stones to rid of ko threats and it will still be ko and he doesnt have any other ko threats.
so i would gain sente because he has use get life threat in gote.

IMO after he played ugly move to solidify his points leaving bad aji he didnt have any chance of winning.

move 108 should be at "a"

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