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by daniel_the_smith Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:16 am
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by balmung Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:14 am
$$Wcm8 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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Plans have changed. If I attack the corner now my opponent gets sente and can stengthen this groups major weakness He jumped one to far
$$B1cm8 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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I feel this is the option he will choose. It does destroy his points, but I don't get to split his stones like me move was aiming to.
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by topazg Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:23 am
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by Aphelion Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:43 am
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by Loons Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:56 am
Some attempt at explaining things. Anyone can look.
Here's an example.
$$Wcm1 Modern Style
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 Modern Style can tenuki. Followup invasion is not urgent.
$$Wcm1 Older joseki
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White generally must add
. The followup invasion is urgent. So,
was likely sente because of white's thinner (ie longer) extension.
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Loons on Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:18 am, edited 2 times in total.
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by EdLee Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:16 am
Not for either player until specified, possibly much later.
balmung wrote:
$$B
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This is what black wants. The bottom influence is to much to good to be true.
Wrong. All the bottom B stones are on the 3rd line, so B has very little influence there.
For the same reason, B does not want to spend yet another 3rd line move on the bottom;
would be much bigger at (a) instead.
balmung wrote: White gets some decent compensation on the right, but I gain alot from this joseki.
Wrong. Up to
, everything is joseki, and neither side has much advantage; the result is equal.
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by EdLee Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:45 am
Not for either player.
seems premature (or jealous?); probably much bigger at (a) or (b) instead:
$$Bm13
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W can simply block with
?
$$B
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Compare:
$$B
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by EdLee Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:03 am
Not for either player.
balmung wrote: $$Bm13
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm13Plans have changed. If I attack the corner now...
My understanding is to be able to attack a group, said group must be weak to begin with,
and since neither
nor
is weak, B cannot attack either W corner --
approach , yes;
attack , no.
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by Aphelion Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:01 am
$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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by daniel_the_smith Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:10 am
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by emeraldemon Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:45 am
Expanding a little on what EdLee and Loons wrote: If W ignores
,
is tesuji:
$$B
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So White usually jumps up, and then I think descending is good.
$$B
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There's still useful aji in
, but I think White is ok here.
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by Loons Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:42 pm
$$B
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Local shape, just out of interest.
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by balmung Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:45 pm
$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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I hope I read this out correctly. White has two weaknesses in the shape which I'm about to exploit
The first 2 is mandatory or a is because white does not want black to play a and connect
$$B1cm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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3 is how I get out if after he defends the first weakness
$$B1cm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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but I think he will hane from the other side and I have strategy to build an upper right moyo while sacrificing the invasion stones.
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by topazg Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:50 pm
can tenuki. Followup invasion is not urgent.
was likely sente because of white's thinner (ie longer) extension.
would be much bigger at (a) instead.
, everything is joseki, and neither side has much advantage; the result is equal.
seems premature (or jealous?); probably much bigger at (a) or (b) instead:
?
nor 
is weak, B cannot attack either W corner -- approach, yes; attack, no.
, 
is tesuji: