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 Post subject: Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Post #21 Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:40 pm 
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Possibly the fastest reply ever?

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Standard response, so I'll just go with the standard continuation.

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Post #22 Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:40 pm 
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its like blitz-malkovich

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Not much choice here either I guess! If w tries to connect his stones, ill cut him on the other side! I almost remembered a cool sequence i saw a while ago on kgs, but I forgot ><. maybe I'll remember later

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Post #23 Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:52 am 
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Obvious move here.

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Post #24 Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:59 am 
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hmm, im reading this

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Looks fine i think.. I would have connected b18 if i was b

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Post #25 Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:19 am 
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Argh I misread it! :o I missed the weakness at B18 when considering the cut at E18. Looks like I'm in for a difficult game now. This is what happens when you play instinctively against a stronger player, most 3k would have connected at C16 as white.

Next time I'll lay out the stones on a board and do some serious reading first :scratch:

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Post #26 Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:25 am 
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levanez,
levanez wrote:
Next time I'll lay out the stones on a board and do some serious reading first :scratch:
One of the joys of a Malkovich game; I thought everyone did it. :)

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Post #27 Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:28 am 
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The stone that threatens a capture!

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$$ | . 4 X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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So he chose for the cut, thats fine with me!

Im wondering if i should play this first, or just e18.. not sure. I think this is better, with endgame stuff

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Post #28 Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:28 am 
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double post >< sorry!

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Banaan,
Banaan wrote:
Im wondering if i should play this first, or just e18.. not sure. I think this is better, with endgame stuff
I think your original variation was better:
Banaan wrote:
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Not very different, but the aji feels just slightly better for B:
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Post #30 Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:32 am 
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I'm not sure if I capture a white stone the prisoner count code should be B-1 or W-1? I'll put W-1 for now, if someone can clarify I'd appreciate it.

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[go]$$Bcm17 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


No choice here but capture.

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One of the joys of a Malkovich game; I thought everyone did it. :)

I was new so I still treated it as a normal game, only with actual reasoning behind each moves! I'll be much more careful from now on, my opponent's stronger and I gave him an easy start already :-?


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Post #31 Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:34 am 
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Two things wrong with this diagram. One is that :w6: is misplaced. The other is that :b5: should just be the capture of a single white stone to prevent a play at a for white (Or forcing black to patch it up).
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . 5 X X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 2 6 X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O 1 O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X X 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 2 7 X 8 O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 5 O 1 O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Truthfully, I don't think that black is too bad just yet. I mean, I think that his stones still have some good aji and he took some corner territory.

I mean, I think that the push was a mistake, but not too costly of a mistake.

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Post #32 Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:56 am 
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White cuts!

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[go]$$Bcm17 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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$$ | . O X X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 5 . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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cutsy cutsy! not much more to say. This result doesnt look too bad for black, the corner is pretty

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Post #33 Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:26 am 
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Such a good family separated :cry:

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$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Top of my head, after white connects, I'd like to play around (a) and see if I can develop the bottom or take another corner, but (b) seems important too. If white pincer (a) I'd certainly enter at the 3-3 point this time, and white would get sente to play (b). I have an uneasy feeling that things may develop badly for me if it happens. If I play (b) myself, however, it seems to have little potential and I don't have any idea how to continue. All other star points seem unattractive to me at this time. Enclosing the lower right corner makes little sense.

I wonder what white'd do here if I passed?

This incoherent rambling represents my thoughts during real game btw, which is why I tend to do badly in the fuseki stage. Too many choices, too many unknowns. :scratch:

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[go]$$Bcm17 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O 8 X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #34 Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:43 am 
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[go]$$Bcm17 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O 8 X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

and its done! Wonder where he plays next, maybe he'll approach the bottom left. Not sure yet what my answer will be, i think ill just jump to b6... or some pincer. Have to look at that a bit more, not sure about the direction.

If he makes a shimari, I play k3

Interesting reading note: watch out for situations like b23. If b23 is at the other side (a18), w b19, and its a disaster for b!


Edlee:
im still not sure :p, there is a bit more endgame moves now at the top, maybe something like a18 a17 d19 a19. With the other variation, d19 is gote.
Thanks for your comments on the game btw! Im dying to know what you wrote under the posts im not supposed to read ^^

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levanez,
levanez wrote:
the prisoner count code should be B-1 or W-1?
W-1 is correct, but I also find it very confusing,
so I like the notation :w1: to make it clear that a :white: stone is captured. :)

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Post #36 Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:43 pm 
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Maybe compare.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O . . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

:b2: is a reduction often played quite a bit later, I think. Of course D19 isn't normally sente for white. Maybe not the perfect analogy.

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Post #37 Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:31 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm17 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I decided to play on the lower left. This is more like a probe to see how white'll respond. I think he'll pincer since the left side is open, but he may not want to give me another corner.

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[go]$$W
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #39 Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:17 am 
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[go]$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I was thinking of 2 options, my first one was pincer again.

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[go]$$Bcm27 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 1 2 8 X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But like this, that means another corner for b, and my influence seems a bit hard to use, because of the 5-4 stone on the other side.

I also thought about this:
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[go]$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

but now black probably plays C6, and I dont want him to get strong on the left side, because F18 cuts my wall off and sends it flying.

Next, b will probably play k4. I dont really want to play q3 yet, but maybe (w q3 b o3 looks nasty). Maybe i'll play around r10 first, splitting the side is always good.. I'll have to think about that.

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Post #40 Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 1:30 am 
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It was a long Saturday, I barely had time to look at the computer, and now I have to work on Sunday too! :grumpy:

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[go]$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 3 . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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