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Post #201 Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:20 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . O . X . . |
$$ | X . . . . O X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X O O . O X X X , X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . X . O X O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X X X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . O . . O X O X X . |
$$ | . X X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . 2 O . . . O . O X X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O O . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X O . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O X X X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . O O . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #202 Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:27 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm151 PRISONERS B:6 W:5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . O . X . . |
$$ | X . . . . O X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X O O . O X X X , X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . X . O X O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X X X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . 3 . O . . O X O X X . |
$$ | . X X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . O . O X X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O O . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X O . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O X X X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . O O . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #203 Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:55 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . O . X . . |
$$ | X . . . . O X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X O O . O X X X , X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . X . O X O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X X X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . 4 . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . 3 . O . . O X O X X . |
$$ | . X X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . O . O X X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O O . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X O . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O X X X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . O O . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #204 Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:01 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm151 PRISONERS B:6 W:5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . O . X . . |
$$ | X . . . . O X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X O O . O X X X , X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . X . O X O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X X X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . O . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . 5 X . O . . O X O X X . |
$$ | . X X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . O . O X X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O O . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X O . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O X X X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . O O . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So long as I have miai (two possibilities) to connect out I will not let him use the crosscut/atari tesuji.

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Post #205 Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:36 pm 
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I think I'll give it a rest tonight and let the observers catch up :) A lot just happened.

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Post #206 Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:52 pm 
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How about either player posting a quick count?

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Post #207 Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:03 pm 
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cdybeijing wrote:
How about either player posting a quick count?


@obs
I think that White has around 70-75 points and Black has 85-90 points once we do a little more endgame.

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Post #208 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:35 am 
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[go]$$Bcm151 PRISONERS B:6 W:5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . O . X . . |
$$ | X . . . . O X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X O O . O X X X , X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . X . O X O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X X X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . O . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . X X . O . . O X O X X . |
$$ | . X X . X . 6 . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . O . O X X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O O . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X O . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O X X X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . O O . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


there is no way i can win after that ugly mistake.
i am trying to finish the game and assess my opponent's endgame skills.
there is no use crying about lost game now..

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Post #209 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:37 am 
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[go]$$Bcm151 PRISONERS B:6 W:5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . O . X . . |
$$ | X . . . . O X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X O O . O X X X , X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . X . O X O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X X X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . 7 O . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . X X . O . . O X O X X . |
$$ | . X X . X . O . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . O . O X X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O O . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X O . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O X X X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . O O . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #210 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:54 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . O . X . . |
$$ | X . . . . O X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X O O . O X X X , X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . X . O X O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X X X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . X O . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . X X . O . . O X O X X . |
$$ | . X X . X . O 8 . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . O . O X X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O O . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X O . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O X X X . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . O O . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #211 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:57 am 
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there is no point continuing this game..
i am down more than 10 points already.

good game Yithril.

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Post #212 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:00 am 
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This game was fun to watch. Thank you.

Any post-game commentary by either side?

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Post #213 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:05 am 
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i feel that i was never behind until i made that mistake
if i played as below i would have more than enough points to win.
i thought about every move before submittin but this move was not one of them..
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[go]$$Bcm101 PRISONERS B:5 W:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X X X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 6 X X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i see that many obs think i was behind.
i assure you that my thinkness was thick enough to overcome point differental.
i am not claiming that i was ahead but i maintained the fine balance and didnt let my opponent get away.
above diag. i am ahead at least 10 points...

IMO when playing white..all you have to do is maintain the balance.
6.5 komi will speak towards the end.

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Post #214 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:09 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 PRISONERS B:5 W:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O O X X . . a . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X X X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 6 X X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . X . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think the ko was a bit early, and he could've attacked my top group sooner to make more center, but in any case, the game went south once he atari'd me. No reason for me to directly respond. If he just defends his group then all I have is the move at the bottom and a sente endgame move at A. I think this board would favor White. At the very least he is not losing.

The game was always super close. I think obs thought by my saying Black was good I meant like 20 points or something. I meant I felt that it was easier to consolidate territory as Black :P By the way Magic Wand's endgame is pretty good.

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Post #215 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:30 am 
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Thank you, this was the most entertaining game I've seen in a while. For the whole duration, any time I logged on, this is the first thread I would read. High-level, and amusing.

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The interesting thing is that throughout the game, most observers thought the two players were at great odds in their evaluation of the position i.e. both players thought they were better.

But postgame review reveals that both players shared almost the same analysis of the position throughout the game.

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Post #217 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:38 am 
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cdybeijing wrote:
The interesting thing is that throughout the game, most observers thought the two players were at great odds in their evaluation of the position i.e. both players thought they were better.

But postgame review reveals that both players shared almost the same analysis of the position throughout the game.


Indeed - I was surprised to just read the post-game assessments. I guess it goes to show that 4-dans like to talk up their chances when they know they're being watched :lol:

Thankyou both very much for the game :clap:

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Post #219 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:26 pm 
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Thanks to both of you. But, please, more comments next time.

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Post #220 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:13 pm 
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i dont know if i mentioned this..
below is what i would have played..(if i play there)
his knight move seems loose.. i dont know what it is exactly..but not right.
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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