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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #261 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:29 am 
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O 4 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i thought about pushing throuh h8 before the bamboo joint. but no need to make things complicated.
smooth sailing all the way to the end.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #262 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:55 am 
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for obs only:
he can not answer my :w2: because he will die..
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X 2 O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 0 . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O O 9 8 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 4 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X O O . 7 6 . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i didnt do much reading on this..but probably same story as above.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X 2 O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


square jump is not much better.. and his other group will suffer.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 4 . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O O . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . a 0 8 6 . . X 3 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 9 7 X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i am not saying that i will play above sequences. i am just brain stroming on possible variations.
i will do more detailed reading after his move. this is how i read and play.
that is why i can not understand Topazg for drawing every possible variation on next move.. :D

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #263 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:37 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 9 8 6 4 . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O B . 7 5 X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

his exchange was nothing complicated.. just to make sure he disconnect my group.
was it worth aji-keshi? IMO NO!.

after below exchange he will be attacked and lose points and might die.
that exchange, by looking at the shape, can not be good.
sometimes shape doesnt really matter if it accomplish your goal but this wasnt the case.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X 4 X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 1 . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 2 . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Violence
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Post #264 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:44 pm 
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D7 is one of those moves I look at and think to myself, Yeah... Solch is definitely stronger than I am. It's a very sharp play, and it's one of the things that makes it scary to play against him too.



And to Joaz:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 6 , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O 4 . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X O 2 . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X 3 X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X 6 . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


????
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Post #265 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:52 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It's tempting to try and move out faster with a move like M10, but a followup of M8 by W would be irritating. My group is not 100% alive, but the situation is getting better for me.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #266 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:12 am 
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


he is trying to come up for air...
i will push him down again to make sure he drowns.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #267 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:04 am 
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for obs:
below is the moves that i think is a mistake.
some i didnt discuss some i already did.
my opponent made 10 moves i would never play. (which means that is wrong move)
every move white made i like.
i am thinking i am stronger than he is.
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X B O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . B . B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O B . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X B . O B O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . B O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O B . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

there are local reading and global reading.
locally my opponent's reading is probably close to equal to mine.
globally i feel that his reading is little subpar.

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Offline Aphelion
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Post #268 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:18 am 
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Methinks Magicwand is feeling some pressure. :lol:
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Offline Kirby
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Post #269 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:33 am 
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@Magicwand:
Your comment about global vs. local reading is interesting to me. I have always heard that, to get better at reading, you can do go problems.

Well, presumably both you and Araban have done go problems and have developed your reading skills.

What makes a person better at global reading, then? If you both practiced your reading ability, what makes one better globally?

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #270 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:08 am 
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@Magicwand:
Your comment about global vs. local reading is interesting to me. I have always heard that, to get better at reading, you can do go problems.

Well, presumably both you and Araban have done go problems and have developed your reading skills.

What makes a person better at global reading, then? If you both practiced your reading ability, what makes one better globally?


i will say it is out of the experience.
although he has same rank as me and beat me before i noticed that he lack the experience.
last game i gave him too much credit and didnt play my game. this game i am playing to win.

he had a chance to go ahead at below diag.
but he let his guard down and gave me sente.
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



i was down points but i played a move that will payoff later.
although i could have saved the corner i can not win with that.
it is my best example of global reading.
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

after this game i am really curious to know what my opponent think his mistake was.

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 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #271 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:38 am 
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for obs:
i didnt explain a and b weakness before ...and i have some time.
basically he can not cut because of below weakness.
i only showed one variation but every other variation doesnt work. you can varify yourself.
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[go]$$Wcm96 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . 3 X X a O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X 1 5 6 . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 4 7 8 O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 9 0 . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm1 :b6: = :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X X 5 O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X O O X 1 O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . 7 . X X 3 X O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 4 X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Solomon
 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #272 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:10 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 7 . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This stone is important in ensuring the safety of my group.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #273 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:53 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 O . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
my prediction: one out of two group will die.

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Post #274 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:06 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X 9 X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Can't give him this stone; want to keep aji on his lower group for as long as I can.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #275 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:34 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

finale

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #276 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:47 pm 
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for obs only:
i just realized what black is going after.
if he didnt discuss it already..
i felt something funny when he answered my 2 prior move too easily.
and looked at it again and i think i figured it out.
but as you can see i dont have any worry.
and also now he should worry about his life before mine.
and also if i hanne in sente before his move that sequence will not work anyway..
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . 1 2 O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . 3 O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Solomon
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Post #277 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:25 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X 1 . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

His last move is a bit more painful than what I had envisioned. I'm just going to try and live here, giving White as little as I can. I've considered trying to move out, but it looks too dangerous because of his top side and also my other group is still not fully alive. It's almost humorous how greedy I was for keeping what was once two stones at the lower half of the board.
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 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #278 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:21 pm 
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I think that you outplayed Araban this time, but I feel like you've drawn too many conclusions from that victory about how you are superior. Of course, I remember games with you and violence in which you were both being very brash. But I think that outplaying somebody doesn't mean that you understand go better than somebody else. Of course, you are both way stronger than me.
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #279 Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:56 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Puppycakes wrote:
@magicwand:

I think that you outplayed Araban this time, but I feel like you've drawn too many conclusions from that victory about how you are superior. Of course, I remember games with you and violence in which you were both being very brash. But I think that outplaying somebody doesn't mean that you understand go better than somebody else. Of course, you are both way stronger than me.

i will play Araban another game to prove the result will be same.
i usually dont play my game and play casual but if i play my game i am hard to beat.
i have been playing go for money many years. if i play them one game then i can assess their strength very accurately.

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Offline Solomon
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Post #280 Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:40 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X 3 X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

As much as I want to play H12, it sacrifices too much eyespace to move out into an area that's W's vicinity anyways. Gotta live.
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