Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:24 am

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I was originally going to play at this point. This is kind of aiming at several things. 'a' will expand and threaten the bottom middle, 'b' will fairly solidly claim the corner and prepare for a northward extension, and the move does eye an invasion at 'c' for later. The reason I almost played here in specific is, it prevents too much silliness in the corner, works well with the left side, and denies the approach. Next, I would have expected W to wedge the left side or approach one of the top stars from the top. Thinking about it, i eventually decided that the wedge there was just really big, and that I wanted that 'largest area on the board' for myself. So yeah... last second change of plans.

cyclops · Post by **cyclops** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:39 am

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topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:42 am

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Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:48 am

Topazg:

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:22 am

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:39 am

KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:42 am

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:55 am

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:44 am

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I expected something like this:

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I can't ignore

because it supports an invasion and I must respond with something like

, then

looks like it works well with the corner.

Now that he has played D10, he can't miss G3 a second time. So I'm going to take it myself. ( well, F3 actually )

BTW, there was a possibility of playing F4. If he had played a full sanrensai, I might have regarded my lower side as more important than the corner, and gone for the joseki like this:

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...where 'a' is a good invasion.

But with the marked stone low, it and

work too well together.

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...and now something like 'a' looks risky.

So I will make the approach low. I'm expecting something like this:

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...where I think that I can tenuki to the left, though the ghost of Kageyama is screaming at me to play the honest move at 'b'.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:08 pm

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Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:16 pm

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Aggrrr! I can't believe that I was seriously considering the slide at 'a' for my next move. It is completely incompatible with the rest of my stones on the lower side. Everything else down there is looking like a moyo, and the slide is a settling move.

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Besides that, once I am strong enough in the lower middle, I want to take 'b' myself. If he tries to prevent it all by taking 'a', I'll cash in my aji on the right with the 'c'/'d' exchange, and then play 'e'.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:19 pm

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:57 pm

topazg, Aphelion, fwiffo:

About Chew's 3rd line

, just for reference:

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SmartGo returns 4 pro games out of 50,744 with the above opening (orientation independant, of course)
in 1993, 1995, 2000, and 2009; and two more pro games if

was at the 3-4 at (b).
As always, we don't know what the pros were thinking,
maybe they were only experimenting with this low

formation, and we don't know their conclusions, either.
In any case, it's still quite early in Chew's game, and for this level of play--I can only speak for myself, at my level--
3rd or 4th line at this stage does not matter so much and does not decide the game by any means.

(Perhaps this is also applicable to W's low

at (a).)
In fact, at

in Chew's game, it was not a moyo game, it was a territory game,
so perhaps the low

was better than high.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:07 pm

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:17 pm

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