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Offline Mnemonic
 Post subject: Re: 89. Koroviev (12k) vs Mnemonic (11k)
Post #61 Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:50 am 
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners: B: 0, W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . X . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I was going to say I need to think, but ..

aw hell, who cares ...

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Offline Koroviev
 Post subject: Re: 89. Koroviev (12k) vs Mnemonic (11k)
Post #62 Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:58 am 
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Sorry about the delay in making my move - busy as hell over here.

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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners: B: 0, W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 O . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . X . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This seems like a good move from my opponent, and I can't find a response I like other than this obvious atari. Will just play it and see where the fight takes us. I suspect my response here may be wrong, but it's the best I can come up with at the moment.
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Offline Mnemonic
 Post subject: Re: 89. Koroviev (12k) vs Mnemonic (11k)
Post #63 Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:21 am 
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners: B: 0, W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O 6 O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . X . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Trigger:
if you protect one side, I'll cut on the other


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[go]$$Bcm37 This doesn't look to good for black
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 8 X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 6 5 4 . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 3 2 X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . X . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm37 This is what I'm aiming at
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 1 X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 2 X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 4 . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . X . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Now he has one weak group without eyes and several floating middle stones

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Offline topazg
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Post #64 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:04 am 
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EdLee wrote:
Mnemonic wrote:
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[go]$$Wm1 "Disrupt the bamboo joint"-Tesuji
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
How about:
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 1 2 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Or:
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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X 5 4 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 7 1 2 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


This works too :)

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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . 9 8 O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X 5 4 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 7 1 2 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . 7 . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . 4 O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: 89. Koroviev (12k) vs Mnemonic (11k)
Post #65 Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:23 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners: B: 0, W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 7 X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 9 . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . X . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


HUGE apologies for the delay, due to unforeseen work issues....hopefully I will be moving a little more frequently now.
I've taken the trigger and will fight...
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 Post subject: Re: 89. Koroviev (12k) vs Mnemonic (11k)
Post #66 Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:35 am 
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners: B: 0, W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . X . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

No problem, but next time you could maybe send a PM. I was already wondering if I could start opening hide tags :)
hm? I though he'd chose the atari from the other side. If I'm not mistaken I can now connect and kill his group.

No. I don't think I've misread. Why would he play such a move?
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[go]$$Wcm40 Prisoners: B: 0, W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 2 X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 1 O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 5 X . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]


Ok, I'm back in the game. now the right side is huge. If my invasion lives with a reasonable amount of territory (which I think is possible) this game is looking good.

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 Post subject: Re: 89. Koroviev (12k) vs Mnemonic (11k)
Post #67 Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:48 am 
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This isn't completely simple ...

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: B: 0, W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . 8 1 2 . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O 5 X X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 3 4 X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 9 X . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . X . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #68 Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:12 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: B: 0, W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . X . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Can't resist...
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Post #69 Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:20 pm 
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Generally, this invasion is only good if your outside group is strong. This essentially destroys any hope black had of saving the F17 group.
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Post #70 Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:50 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: B: 0, W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 O . X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . X . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Wow, unexpected. I can't let his dead group connect with the 33 point. If I could kill his group during that process it would be ideal. Let's see:
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[go]$$Wcm1 This looks like it works
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 2 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 X 4 O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 1 O 6 X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm1 And this
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 X 2 O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O 4 X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm1 Or this
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 5 O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O 4 X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

I hope I haven't misread. If the big group lives I'm in trouble.

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Not for either player.
Mnemonic wrote:
I can't let his dead group connect with the 33 point.
Locally, :w42: is precisely the move that lets B connect to 3-3.
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[go]$$Bm41
$$ ----------------
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . O X .
$$ | . . 2 O . X .
$$ | . . . . . . .[/go]

In the first variation, :b8: is wrong:
Mnemonic wrote:
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[go]$$Wm1
$$ ---------------
$$ | . . . . 7 . .
$$ | . . . 3 2 5 .
$$ | . 9 X 4 O X .
$$ | . 8 1 O 6 X .
$$ | . . . . . . .[/go]

B would simply connect :b8: at :wc: :
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[go]$$Wm1
$$ ---------------
$$ | . . . . 7 . .
$$ | . . . 3 2 5 .
$$ | . . X 4 W X .
$$ | . . 1 O 6 X .
$$ | . . . . . . .[/go]

Result: B is happy.
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[go]$$Wm1
$$ ---------------
$$ | . . . . O . .
$$ | . . . O X O .
$$ | . . X X X X .
$$ | . . O O X X .
$$ | . . . . . . .[/go]

Normal:
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[go]$$Wm1
$$ ---------------
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . . 5 3 2 . .
$$ | . 7 X 4 O X .
$$ | . . 1 O 6 X .
$$ | . . . . . . .[/go]

B must capture with :b6:. If B extends with :b6:, then W connects with :w7: and (a) and (b) are miai for W.
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[go]$$Wm1
$$ ---------------
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . b 5 3 2 a .
$$ | . 6 X 4 O X .
$$ | . . 1 O 7 X .
$$ | . . . . . . .[/go]

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Offline judicata
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Post #72 Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:17 pm 
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judicata wrote:
Generally, this invasion is only good if your outside group is strong. This essentially destroys any hope black had of saving the F17 group.


In light of white's response, let me modify the above statement by adding: "unless white make a move to allow the groups to link up and make eyes." :)
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For observers.
On the upper left, the aji is bad for W. Instead of :b41: at 3-3:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . O X . . O .
$$ | . . . O . X . . . ,
$$ | . . b . . . . . O .
$$ | . . O . X X . O . .
$$ | . . 1 a X O O O X .
$$ | . . . O O X . . . .
$$ | . . . . X . . . X .
$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,[/go]
If W (a), B clamps at (b). For example:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . O X . . O .
$$ | . . . O . X . . . ,
$$ | . . 3 4 . . . . O .
$$ | . 6 O 5 X X . O . .
$$ | . . 1 2 X O O O X .
$$ | . . 7 O O X . . . .
$$ | . . . . X . . . X .
$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,[/go]
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Post #74 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:23 am 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: B: 0, W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 O O . X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . X . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #75 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:29 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: B: 0, W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . X . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm going to guess that his invasion lives small. If I can I'll try to wring a ko from if, but I not really hopefull.
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[go]$$Wcm44 This fail's
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X 4 O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O 6 X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 9 8 . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 0 . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm44 This look's like it works, but I'm woried about (a)
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 9 7 8 a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 X . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | 5 X O O . X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

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Post #76 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:01 pm 
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Black missed the play at 'a', so white had one more chance to prevent it like this:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . X . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Unfortunately, white seems over-focused on killing the corner.

Although the biggest move by either side would probably be the tenuki to 'b'. :o

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Post #77 Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:43 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: B: 0, W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O 5 X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . X . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So...this is exactly what I had planned several moves ago...but now I see it on the board I realise it's terrible! Not sure what I was thinking here...almost tempted to tenuki, do something constructive elsewhere rather than continuing with this mess, but then my whole upper group would likely die, and the game would be as good as finished I suspect...so no option but to fight on.
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Post #78 Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:59 pm 
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Koroviev:
How does your move help the Black group live?
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Post #79 Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:03 am 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: B: 0, W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 6 O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . X . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't get that move, I would have cut on the other side. White can't let black connect and he still has the cut aji at C13. Now I don't see how black can live with either group.
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[go]$$Bcm45 Looks like ko
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . b 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 0 5 9 8 2 a . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 X 1 O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 X O O 3 X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm45 Maybe he's aiming for this?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 2 O X . . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O 1 X . . . , . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . O . . O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

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Thanks for the game, Mnemonic! And thanks to observers for their comments, which I look forward to reading.

Unfortunately my circumstances have changed recently and I can't make it to a computer often enough to play - but I think Mnemonic has the upper hand anyway.

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