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 Post subject: Re: 105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)
Post #61 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:07 am 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I had some aji that I could have used to cut my way out, now it's gone! :sad: I have to live inside or it's pretty much game over, but I think it's possible. The move I played is sente if my opponent wants to kill and allows a connection to the outside if he ignores.

One question that I've been asking myself: was this all worth it? I'm playing with fire and could crash and burn at any time and even if I live I'll be sealed in :sad: But I still think that is a superior result than letting my opponent chase me around. I didn't even have a place to run to!

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Post #62 Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:59 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Trigger:

If a connection to protect f2, I j3.

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . 6 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . b a X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


obs:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . 1 X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . X X O . O . . . . c . X . . . |
$$ | . a X . . . X O . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I envision this, black can live quite easily in this fashion but a move at A instead of c2 might be better.

With sente, I plan on moving on the right with a probe at 1. Aiming at sacrificing the lone stone for the outside moves at B or C. I feel like I can not get an acceptable result directly moving it out.

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 Post subject: Re: 105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)
Post #63 Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:57 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . W . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 7 . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'll acept the trigger.
Maybe I should have put my trigger also into a hide tag?
Never mind that now I have to make my group live and this is the only way I see.

Edit:
I just saw the attachment at b2 and it looks very ugly! I had a sequence that looked like ko but actually kill’s me. Need to read more :sad:

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[go]$$Bcm47 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . 3 4 8 X X O . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | 5 2 1 6 . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 . 9 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ok, this looks like it works, let's cross our fingers :sad:
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[go]$$Bcm47 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . O X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | 8 5 O 7 X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . 4 3 . X X O . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 2 1 . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #64 Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:05 pm 
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Oh my... his lone stone on the left edge has an incredible amount of aji. I do not see a way to even kill it. Let alone blacks entire dragon.

I'll think about this move.

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Post #65 Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:02 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And... there is still a ton of living aji in there:

I was most afraid of:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . b O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 0 a . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 8 9 . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 3 . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 7 O X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 4 O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . X X O . O . . . 1 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I tenuki, not only will black take the corner, but he will do it in sente and more bad things seem to happen...

So, I think my fixing move is honte and most likely sente. I still want the point at 1.

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Post #66 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:01 am 
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I don't like it. That stone had virtually no aji and he protected something. Either that means I have missed some kind of attack or he is planning one himself :sad: Need to Read. If I can tenuki I'll take M4

I think I might have something:
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[go]$$Bc Looks like ko. But he didn't have to protect anything to play this sequence. Hm ...
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 6 O 7 X O O . . X . 1 . . X , . . . |
$$ | . 2 5 . X X O . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | 4 3 X 0 . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 9 . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I was strongly thinking about tenukiing but if my group dies I lose so it's nice to play another move that removes all aji. If my opponent tenukis now his last move looks extreme aji keshi. If not: even more :o :shock: :scratch:

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . 9 . . X X O . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't understand your last move. At all! :scratch: :scratch:

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Post #67 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:21 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . 0 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm holding back on this probe because I think that if he simply extends solidly, then it removes a bit of aji.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . 1 X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . a . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . b . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


A or B are sort of miai? And if I take B, then my exchange was just outright bad.


Oh, good. :) I'll be happy to discuss that later. I could benefit from going over that position again.

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Post #68 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:10 pm 
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This will probably take some time. Sry
Ok. This is an important point in the game because I just saved my huge dragon but now have to pick up the pieces. First things first: a count.
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[go]$$Bcm Counting definite and probable territory
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | C C C C C . . . . . . . . . . . x x x |
$$ | C C C C C . . . . . . . . . . . x x x |
$$ | C C C C O . . . . . . . . . . . X x x |
$$ | C C C O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | C C . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | C C . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | C C . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | C C C . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | o o o O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | o o o , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | o o o . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | o o o O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | o o O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X M M |
$$ | . . B O . X O . . . . . . . . M M M M |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . . . M P M M |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X M M M M |
$$ | x X . . X X O . O . . . 0 . . X M M M |
$$ | x x X x x x X O . . . . . . . M x x x |
$$ | x x x x x X . . . . . . . . . M x x x |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

x and o are places that I think are definite territory. Meaning they will surely go to one Player and the other can do nothing to stop it. :ec: and :ex: stand for the probable territory that one player will get. White needs one more move to enclose the top left and I'm hoping to kill white’s stone on the bottom right in the upcoming fight.

Counting:
Black: 25 x + 20 :ex: + 35 komi = 80 points
White: 16 o + 26 :ec: = 42

Conclusion: The game is still playable (if not going very well) for me! Also I don't really have to worry about invading the upper left. One thing I have to worry about though is killing the :wx: stone. My original plan was to let the stone run out and make territory on both sides. Making territory on the bottom side now seems impossible! And I would probably have to live in the corner which would cost some move with which white can attack my R7 stone. (plus it would cost me 20 points)

It looks like the game is going very well for me but white has a lot of influence so lets count that:
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . C . . . . . . . . . . M . . . |
$$ | . . . . C C . . . . . . . . x M . . . |
$$ | . . . . O C C o . . . . . . x M X . . |
$$ | . . . O C B C o . , . . . . x x M M M |
$$ | . . C C C C o o o . . . . . . x x x . |
$$ | . . C C C o o o o . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . C C C o o o o o . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . C C C o O o o . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . x . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X x x . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X M X x . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . x . . . x x x . |
$$ | . . O . . X o o o O o . . . x x X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O o o o o . . . x . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O C o o o . . x . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O C o B o o . x X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O C O o o o 0 . x X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O C o o o . . x . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:ex: and :ec: denote areas where one Player is extremely thick, whereas o and x denote areas where one player has influence. As you can see white has a lot of influence! What’s even worse is that I have two stones within whites area, one of them looking extremely lonely.

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Post #69 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:43 pm 
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Diagram heavy :sad:
The top left is a very urgent place so let’s analyze what happens if someone plays there (I've added some stones to the lower half, just an example of what I think could happen). My plan would be to play lightly, maybe sacrifice my stone, and try not to nullify any corner invasion aji. My main focus would be the attachment at H13
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . 1 , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 9 8 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 O 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O 5 6 O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X O O X . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm1 :wc: is weak now and will hopefully allow me to live/escape on the upper side
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . W , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm1 Another line
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . 1 , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 8 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 5 2 4 . . 0 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O 6 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . 7 O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

If I get sente, here are some variations:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Sente 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . 3 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . 1 , . . . 2 . 4 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm1 Sente 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . 9 7 8 . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . 1 5 . 2 0 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 6 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

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Post #70 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:50 pm 
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Post #71 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:58 pm 
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I have no idea what Mnemonic is thinking in those diagrams. That H13 attachment is particularly weird. I don't see how his moves accomplish anything for Black.

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Post #72 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:01 pm 
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Yes, it's me again. And no, still no move :sad:
Because I looked at a white pincer and came to a satisfying result I though letting white pincer me was no big deal. Looking over my diagrams I don't know how I could have come to that conclusion :shock: :shock: Playing first on the upper side is at least 25 points!! I was thinking about doing an analysis about my 3 floating stones in the middle, but I don't think it's necessary anymore. First of all they will be help the fight in the lower right and if I sack them it's only 6 points. Not 25 like the lower right or upper left!

So this is my strategy for the next moves:
1) Kill the stone in my lower left!
2) (close second) get sente to play in the upper right
3) (way, way of) destabilize whites group as much as possible using the aji of K4

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[go]$$Bcm41 Currently looking at
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . b a . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . d c . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . f e . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

a) Kills the white stone outright but is not very likely to entice an response from my opponent
b) Kills the stone and looks kind of sente (but leaves a some aji)
c) Seems to kill the stone and is probably sente. Need to read more!
d) Tries to do too much of nothing. Not looking at it any further!
e) Very complex. Need to read more!
f) Very intriguing and I have to remember this move. But I don't think it corresponds well with the rest of the board :sad:

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Post #73 Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:05 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . 1 . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

In the end I decided to go with this move. The only other move I seriously considered was N4 which could have gone something like this:
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[go]$$Bcm51 Pretty good
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . 6 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . 4 3 . . . W . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . 2 1 . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I get sente and I'm halfway certain that :b1: and :b3: kill white’s marked stone. There are some other variations but after 2 I'm fairly certain that I kill the white stone and get sente. The problem comes when white plays this:

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[go]$$Bcm51 Disaster
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . 3 X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . 4 . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . 1 . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . 5 O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I could trade corner for side territory, but only in gote. I get to destabilize whites group a bit but that wasn't my goal. Additionally I now have a new weak group which I have no idea how to handle.
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[go]$$Bcm51 My move
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . 1 . . W . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . a . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is my move and I'm pretty sure it kills :wc: I'm also aiming at (a) which should give me sente (It doesn't kill, but I get to link all my weak group while building enormous influence over the barren right side.) after he protects I'll tenuki to the upper left.

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Post #74 Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:58 pm 
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Uhh, I typed up a post with a few diagrams and internet crashed....

I play k17.

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Post #75 Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:35 am 
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Sorry, I completly missed your move :sad: Will move shortly.

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . 2 . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . 3 . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The move by my opponent surprised me. It seems that J16 would kill almost all aji in that area and give him a large center territory. Now there are some possibility’s on how to invade/reduce. But first I want to play in the lower right. My opponent tenukied so I should try to punish him for it locally.

Some analysis.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Me playing first
$$ | . . . O . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . a . . 1 . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . 2 . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm1 Him playing first
$$ | . . . O . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . 1 . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

After the most likely response is 2 and with a being my sente the total points for this white group looks to be roughly 10 whereas the reverse sente is worth 25 points with a net difference of 15 points. Probably more, because my new stone helps my 3 weak stones in the middle. The problem is if my opponent tenukis again I will be in a bad position on the top side.

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[go]$$Bcm51 That's a bad looking moyo!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O O . X . . . , . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O B . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O B . B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . O X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X O . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O O X X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I count 70 points in the middle. I can probably reduce some of it with my marked stones but in reality they are very weak and will probably have to run more than reduce.

W:
upper corner + middle moyo: 70 points
left side: 15 points
lower side: 10 points
= 95

B:
lower right corner: 40 points
Lower left corner: 10 points
upper right corner: 15 points
left side: 5 points
komi: 35 points:
= 105

The points favor me (I needed to recount this twice since I couldn't believe I was in the lead with that kind of board position) the question is whether I can keep it in the endgame and I don't think so. :sad: The essence of this is that I need to extend from my 33 or this game is probably over. I can't risk that white tenukis from my move in the lower right (But I still want it so bad!)

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Post #77 Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 9:28 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That's a good black move, I think. Next:

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . 2 . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . 4 . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black may be able to reduce and expand at once. While strengthening his middle.

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Post #78 Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 8:09 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think this move is pretty hard to answer. You have a really nice extension from the top but I would be pushing him towards my weak groups. If I allow white to connect his R11 stone with the thick group on the bottom side I will be in a world of hurt. He would be able to revive the marked stone and my :bc: stones will be weak, floating and probably dead.
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O B . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O B . B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . W . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ { AR R11 M7 }[/go]

That's the main reason I played the shoulder hit. I want to connect my groups solidly and erase the aji of R5 once and for all. Expecting this:
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . 6 O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . 7 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #79 Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 10:50 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . 6 O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He's pushing the wrong way. This feels like he's a bit too worried about 3 stones in the middle.

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Post #80 Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 7:35 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . 7 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Solid. I was thinking about the one space jump but that would allow him to push out once more in sente. Either way, let's see what his plans are.

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