151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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I don't think there's any other choices here for me. It feels like I'm mostly out of danger, but I do tend to die randomly in games (or rather, I tend to not realize the danger until it's too late :p).
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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I seem to be behind by quite a bit in terms of points, so I will have to try harder to complicate the situation.
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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A bit more, and I'll turn my attention to the other group.
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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This seems to connect. The other hane does too, but the crosscut seems more difficult to handle (I see a ladder to lower left, but I didn't read very much as I think this connects more solidly).
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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I've had this planned.
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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I considered N13 as well, but it was getting really complicated and I don't really want to bet the game on that :p Not to mention that if I play N13 black will get really suspicious and will read very carefully since the cut is so obvious. This way it looks like I'm trying to be connected but there is still a cut potential to lure black. I think black's best move is probably something like L7 to connect his pieces and prepare for the cut.
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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M8 was my :w68: of choice; try and use Shaddy's weakness in this fight before he fixes it with this fight.

Edit: (Vaguely imagining this connect-out)
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[go]$$Bcm61 Oh, no reason to lead with :w68:
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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Oh, and also, I forgot to mention. The connect also leaves a slightly stronger shape facing the top (though there's no real potential invasion there - I really wish I had extended as Uberdude recommends instead of let black capture now XD).

Another possible move for black is the keima slide at S10. Not only does the rob me of eyespace, but also makes the cut more dangerous because after the slide the black group isn't as worried about being disconnected.
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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White has two and a half weak groups. The plan is to hit them with a bat until the candy pops out.
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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illluck wrote:Oh, and also, I forgot to mention. The connect also leaves a slightly stronger shape facing the top (though there's no real potential invasion there - I really wish I had extended as Uberdude recommends instead of let black capture now XD).
EH???!!!!! Strong shape for invading the top? Does he not realise his entire group is in mortal danger?!
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Mmm, I guess black took the bait (I hope I'm not misreading here, though :p).
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I should probably remove the keima slide first before trying to separate.
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . 3 . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Go ahead, spend another move and connect. I'll be over here.
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