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Offline EdLee
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O 3 . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . 4 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline TIM82
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Post #82 Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:55 am 
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[go]$$Bm47
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O 3 . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . 4 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Decided that responding on right side is not sure enough sente for me - seems problematic if B then just plays one above 52 or so. My chosen move should cause a flow that enables me to enter right side anyway.
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Post #83 Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:35 am 
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First impression of :w52: : not so bad for B. Time to sleep. Will post more.
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Hi Tim, life happens, and no internet access until this Sunday Jan 13 -- will try to post soon, sorry. :)
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Offline TIM82
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Hi Tim, life happens, and no internet access until this Sunday Jan 13 -- will try to post soon, sorry. :)


Yes, that seems to be a major feture of life :) No problem, take your time.
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Offline TIM82
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Post #86 Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:16 am 
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Hi Ed, where art thou ;-)
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Tim, I'm here. Soon. :)
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Post #88 Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:15 pm 
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No problem. Just enjoying the game too much to be patient :lol:
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Tim, thanks; I'm slowly working my way back into the 3 malkovich games. Thanks for the patience. :)
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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I'm not sure of the direction:
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
And if :b1: jump, W has :w2:, which may not be too bad for W, but again, I'm not sure:
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . 2 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline TIM82
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Post #92 Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:29 am 
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[go]$$Bm53
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline TIM82
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Post #93 Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:46 am 
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Like below? Then either a or b for black and correspondingly c or d for me?
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[go]$$Bm53
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . f . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 4 . . d . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O 1 3 b . c . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . a . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

I was really torn between playing the move I chose and a above. a seems to me the shape point, but leaves Ed's options unnecesarily open IMHO. Chosen move seems to be more straigthforward, and good enough.

Btw - I'm not primarily trying to wall of the whole top from 54 and 56 upwards. That seems futile with the sides as open as they are. Instead I'm first of all aiming at flattening right side, which seems sufficient as long as nothing big forms in center. Of course, if I get sente from my flattening operation, around f seems nice at a glance.

Not sure at all about the above assessment of situation, would be nice to read some opinions on it after the game.
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[go]$$Bm55
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bm55
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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If 59 below, I'll play 60, unless I find something even better :) . 60 threatens a or so, and if Ed defends against that, b is sente against corner, which in my reading ensures I will waltz out by playing c.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . b X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . c . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O 3 . 2 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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