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 Post subject: Re: #259 - DJLLAP vs. schawipp
Post #41 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:35 pm 
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . 7 . , 6 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


My biological policy network likes that move. It lacks precise calculation, though... ;-)

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Post #42 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:00 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X 8 , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . 2 b . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X 1 , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . a . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


B played a little soft here I think. I was expecting an attack somewhere like "a" which seems much more severe. I considered taking "a" myself, but at second thought it seemed small and passive, and it only guarantees one eye.

I next considered the attachment I played. The fight is very favorable for W if Black hanes at "a" so I expect he will hane above. I didn't wan't the fighting to result in a large black right side, so I plan on jumping afterwards. I might have gone straight for the jump and sipped the attachment, but I think the attachment give W more options, and takes some away from black. Peeping at "b" for example no longer looks as good for B.

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Post #43 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:18 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Why not...? One small crosscheck in case if white crosscuts: H11 J9 K10 H9 and neither the ladder at J12 or the net at J12+L12 works.

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Post #44 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:17 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #45 Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:10 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 1 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


There are many different choices, here, e.g.
- Start something messy in the center, but this feels insecure and badly prepared.
- Protect right side at O12, but this somehow has a "pushing from behind" feeling. Further, the "sixth line territory" would be still pretty open for invasion.

Thus I take what feels like the biggest point left on the board. White could now invade into right side and try to cut it off, but it seems no problem to live with lower right side separately, e.g.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 1 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . . 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . 4 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . 6 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . 7 . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


I don't see a major problem for black in this example.

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Post #46 Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:55 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


This is a pretty complicated position, but this move looks good to me. Black should probably play aggressively and cut me, but the fight looks OK for W.

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Post #47 Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:04 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

I like this a bit more than the move from my last comment, but please don't ask me why ;-)

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Post #48 Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:47 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Based on how he is playing I expect him to answer on the right side. After this move, I think my center group is safe, so next I might jump into an approach of the top right. Or maybe enclose the top left. It looks like I can play fairly conservatively and just play to disrupt B's areas since I am ahead in territory.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . b . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . a . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


I decided mainly between (a) and (b). If - after (b) - white played (a) it would look nice to approach upper left at (c). However the connection with my bottom right group is a bit weak which may cause some trouble later. The game move looks more solid in this aspect. If w pokes into the elephant's eye, I can play Q8, and there's no cut at all. If w playes Q8 himself (and has maybe peeped at the bottom before), I could at least fill the elephant's eye by myself, if there's no better move. Besides, I get some potential cash at right side and can still approach the corner or get even more potential cash at upper side. It is also no more pushing from behind thanks to the already existing stone at Q16. There are still some unresolved issues in the center but they currently seem not that urgent, maybe I'm totally wrong in that.

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #52 Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:42 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . 8 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Easy choice. This connects to my center group and pretty much makes it alive since I should be able to make at least one eye on the side. There are still some possibilities in the corner, so B may play another move there or he may tenuki. Next I would like to isolate the K16 stone, so I can grab some more territory while attacking it.

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Post #53 Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:19 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


According to Yilun Yang this is a "third class" move as is also my move :b41:. The fact that these moves are played that lately in the game shows that the overall opening strategy from both sides might be a bit strange.

In hindsight I am not sure if my :b47: was a good move (the shape e.g. is not the greatest) or if I should have played on top of :w46: (i.e. o16). This could have splitted white's invasion from the center group which then still might need some attention to become fully settled. It would be interesting to read your opinion on that.

For :w46: I would have expected the following possible alternative:

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . 7 . X . . . |
$$ | . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


White secures a big corner, my upper side can be still undermined from left and my upper right corner is still prone to 3-3 invasion. I wouldn't have liked this continuation from point of view of the black side. What do you think?

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Post #54 Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:53 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 0 . . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


This seems like a way to keep the corner territory while limiting Blacks moyo in the center. I am a little worried about the 3-3 invasion, but that is not likely, so I will deal with it if it occurs.

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O 1 . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


There is the possibility to jump directly on 3/3 but this will most probably hurt my K16 stone. Thus, let's play this in a conventional way.

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Post #56 Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:36 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


no need to get fancy.

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Post #57 Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:50 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 X . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


My K16 stone is a bit awkward with respect to the usual joseki. Thus I will have to improvise a different continuation afterwards. I'm currently thinking of something like this:
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 3 X . . . . 7 . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . a . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . b . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

White would have a big point at (a) or (b) afterwards; thus I could probably play (a) myself instead of :b57:. On second thought :b57: is a purely defensive move while (a) would threaten to dive further into the corner. Will have to think further about it...

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 3 X . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #59 Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:44 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 3 X . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #60 Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:16 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 3 X . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


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