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Post #21 Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 1:52 am 
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Makes him weaker. Why not?


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Because if :w2: - :b3: Black makes an empty triangle?

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Post #22 Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 10:08 am 
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I wanted to avoid the atari, but if he plays like that, I'll just do it. Meh, why not? :-)

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Post #23 Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 11:23 am 
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Post #24 Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 4:45 pm 
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Post #26 Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 8:30 pm 
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Post #27 Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 9:03 pm 
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it seems both players overlooked the interesting timing of black 1 here. If black does this before the q2 atari white can't connect by falling back due to the atari of 5. And if white just blocks it leaves a cut that might not work yet with blacks low liberties outside but is a debt white must pay for. So I think white should have ataried like Bill showed, the counter atari on 2nd line is not to be feared. Maybe black can cut to the left in reply to avoid making the dumb empty triangle connection, and then after extending and White's connection he can play the 2nd line atari but even then he can't extend into the corner so white is happy.

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Post #29 Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 10:01 pm 
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Post #30 Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:59 am 
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Now comes the hard part. I would love to play at "A" to fix some shape problems, sine it is sente for B to take it, but it probably isn't sente. Another option is to look after my bottom group with "B" or something like it. Or I can tenuki.

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Post #31 Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:01 am 
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:b1: is very efficient, protecting both the three :bc: stones on the left and the single :bc: stone on the right. :) That fact indicates the problem with White's earlier solid connection, :w1: in the next diagram.

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:w1: threatens to capture the :bc: stones and is usually tesuji. However, in this case it allows the tesuji of :b4:.

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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O B O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 B 2 . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


So in this case the beginner's move, :w1:, may well be better. :) :w3: is a plausible continuation.

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Now comes the hard part. I would love to play at "A" to fix some shape problems, sine it is sente for B to take it, but it probably isn't sente. Another option is to look after my bottom group with "B" or something like it. Or I can tenuki.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . b . . . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Not to pick on DJLLAP, but actually the hard part came earlier.

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[go]$$Wcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O X X . X O . . |
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$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


White could have played the desired atari at this point.

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[go]$$Wcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


And White could have played the osae at this point.

So often players ask, what do I do in this difficult position? when a better question is, how could I have avoided this difficult position?

This forward focus is related to fuseki blindness, where the answer to all difficulties is believed to be better tactics instead of better strategy, as well.

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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Extending on the bottom to "a" leaves way to many weaknesses in W's shape. "b" is the only way I could find to fix them, but it is horribly slow, so for now I will treat those stones fairly lightly and see how the board develops. I have heard it said that if you can't find a good move, tenuki!
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . a . b . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . B . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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His move is big. I will think a bit more.

He didn't protect on the bottom, so maybe I can aim at weakness later?

Not sure, yet...

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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . B . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Inseong has been reprimanding me lately, because he says I need to "take it easy" in the opening. He thinks I try to start something before something exists - instead, I should just be calm and wait for the opportunity to win.

So I really debated playing this move and the one here:
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


But letting white fix like this seems like a wasted opportunity:
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . W . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


I figure, if he splits or something, a fight can't be that bad:
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[go]$$Bcm1 fight?
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$$ | . . O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . 2 . . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 fight?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 4 . . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 2 . . 1 . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 fight?
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O b . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . 1 . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . a O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


The last one seems the most questionable, but I guess I have 'a' and 'b' to think about.


Inseong is probably right.


I'm impatient.


But it's hard to play a patient move.

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It is intresting that Inseong says you're to impatient. I feel I'm the complete opposite because ignore opportunities to attack to use them later and am angry about myself as soon as my fixes his weakness naturally. As a result I try to change it and my current idea is to thing in this situations about how it might help me later vs. how my opponent can fix it naturally. You did think about the natural fix, but not the help it might be later. I always thought about what great things can happen later with just a bit reinforcement or which group I might save/invade later because of that weakness. Maybe it would help you to think about that part a little bit more and I have to think about the part you're already doing a bit more


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Just pinging this thread, because I think DJLLAP might be active since he's played in his other games, but may have not realized that I made a move in this one.

Maybe this ping will help.

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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . W . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


I obviously can't connect the peep. It is way to heavy. Since B ignored an approach to peep, I guess I will just do the double approach.

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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O B . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

Instead of any explanation, I'll just show a couple of diagrams I thought about.

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[go]$$Bcm1
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