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 Post subject: Re: #260 DJLLAP vs Kirby
Post #61 Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:29 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . W . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


It took a little digging, but I like this move. I also considered a-c, but in each of these cases, P15 was the move that gave black an advantage by splitting me into two groups. So I thought I might as well take that point for myself. The results look very flexible, and I can't find a result that looks bad for W.


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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . b a c X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #62 Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:32 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


His move is pretty good. I can't think of a local result I like if I play first, so I will tenuki.

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Post #63 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:32 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . W . . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]



I really don't know what else to do. I considered the following moves. 'a' is clearly out of the question, but b-d are very complicated and depend a lot of B's choices. I decided to go with the symmetrical choice.

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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . b . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . d . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X c e . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #64 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:00 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B . . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Still losing. I feel like I need to DO something to fix it. But that seems like it will make me further behind.

For now, I'll just answer in an expected way.

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Post #65 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:50 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B . . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . W . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]



My first thought is to play like this. It is attractive because it weakens B's position on the top, But I don't think it is as good as it looks. L16 still has plenty of aji to exploit to make a good position somehow, and if that happens, what does White get? There is even the possibility of my top left group coming under attack. I might be able to play something like 'a' instead of 4 to weaken L16's aji.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . X 4 . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . 2 . a , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


This is also an option. It works fairly well with my position on the left side, but it looks a tad over concentrated, and give black a pretty good position on the top.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 3 . X 5 . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 O . 4 . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #66 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:49 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . B O . . O . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


I'll take that deal. His position on the top is not bad, but there is aji there. Also, his left side stone is a little high and silly now.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Can't say I'm satisfied with this position, but I feel 1% better.

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Post #67 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:48 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Blocking on the top seems ineffective. This looks likes it helps my global position to prevent the left from becoming weak.

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Post #68 Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:05 am 
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Feels slow.

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Post #69 Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:48 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . B . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


I want to settle the situation here, and see how he will respond locally. Based on his response, I'll see about playing on the top or right.

I'll see how he answers.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . W O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


This seems to be the vital spot.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . X . B X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #72 Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:19 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . X W X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


That wasn't one of the responses I considered. This seems to be the only possible move. I hope it turns out ok.

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Post #73 Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:57 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . B O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


I think he has the advantage in this local area, so maybe this is overplay. But I can't think of a way to get a good local result without overplaying.

I guess he is playing better than me now.

But if I make a fight, maybe I can turn the tables.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X W X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


This is really the only move. I wish I could play o14, but the ladder doesn't work.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X 2 X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . 1 O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . 3 . O 4 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


afterwards maybe 4? I think if Black ignores or answers on the outside, I can kill the corner. I Don't end up connected , but it looks playable.

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Post #75 Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:31 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O B . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Doesn't seem logical to continue with the cut, but maybe I benefit a little bit by the presence of the cutting stones. Even if I save the cutting stone, his group on top is strong, since 'a' and 'b' are miai:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . a . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O b X O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . B . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


So it's not really worth it to fight right now. That group is strong. I need to be patient for a little while longer.

I'd say that I'm still losing this game, but I'm not that far behind.

I'll try to gain some ground.

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Post #76 Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:26 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


I am planning for this. Black has a number of ways he cam play at this point, but, My top group is strong, and the cutting stone on the right still has plenty of room to find some sort of position.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . 4 . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . X O . B . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . X O . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . W O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


I thought black would not play this way. It just seems a little easy for W, so I am pleased with this result.

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Post #79 Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:39 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . X O . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O B . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #80 Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:14 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . X O . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]



This might be greedy, but I don't think the corner can die, so why not?

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