Life In 19x19 :: 21. Magicwand (3d) vs. wms (1d)

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . | $$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . | $$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . a X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . | $$ | . 7 3 O 2 O X O X X O X . X . X O . . | $$ | . 5 4 , . 1 X O X O . O X . . X O . . | $$ | . 6 . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . | $$ | . . b . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This way still leaves the most possibilities for Black. What Black needs to do is keep the liberties on the D11 group tight. After 7, if 'a':

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c White will lose liberty race by 1. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . | $$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . | $$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . W X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . | $$ | . X X O O O X O X X O X . X . X O . . | $$ | . X O 5 6 X X O X O . O X . . X O . . | $$ | 2 O 4 O 7 X O O . . . O . . . X O . . | $$ | . 1 3 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

After 7, if 'b':

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Becomes complicated, but feels bad for White. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . | $$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X | $$ | . 2 O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . | $$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . 1 X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . | $$ | 3 . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . | $$ | . X X O O O X O X X O X . X . X O . . | $$ | 4 X O , . X X O X O . O X . . X O . . | $$ | . O . O . X O O 6 . . O . . . X O . . | $$ | . 8 W 9 . 5 X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 7 . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However, this second diagram is probably not the best Black or White can do.

Author:	Magicwand [ Sat May 01, 2010 11:34 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| . O X O O O X X . O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . W . . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	wms [ Sun May 02, 2010 8:48 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . O . . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Well I kept trying moves and none of them worked well. Finally I took a look at this move. To be honest, I haven't read everything out fully, but this is interesting to me. If magicwand ignores the move then I can get some good shape by exploiting the shortage of liberties around white L12, and meanwhile it fixes the biggest problem I've been having, which is my weakness at G15. So let's see if it works. If I misread and all my stones around F16 and K12 die, then I'll have to think hard about resigning.

Author:	Magicwand [ Sun May 02, 2010 9:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . W . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . O . . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] almost there...

Author:	wms [ Mon May 03, 2010 10:21 am ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
A move that I did not expect at all, but it makes sense once I look at it. Seems I'll have to drop to 1 move per day while things stay tricky.

Author:	fwiffo [ Mon May 03, 2010 10:31 am ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
Magicwand wrote: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . W . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . O . . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] almost there... Holy crap.

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21. Magicwand (3d) vs. wms (1d) http://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=161	Page 7 of 9

Author:	Magicwand [ Mon May 03, 2010 4:39 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
maybe something along this line?? i dont expect much out of the side. my main goal is the top dragon. 'a' sente is all i am intrested because that is a piece of puzzle that will kill the dragon. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . X 1 X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . W . 5 X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . 7 , 6 4 X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| . 9 8 O . 3 2 O . . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . 0 . . . . X a . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	wms [ Mon May 03, 2010 10:07 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . . X B . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . O . . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Looks very bleak. I thought about E11 and E10, but they ended up even worse.

Author:	Magicwand [ Mon May 03, 2010 10:13 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . W O . . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] added hidden comment: i think he made a mistake. now i expect alot from left side. i have more choices and he is in deeper water. now i can cut other way and go after black group. "a" is not sente. black is about to resign. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . a X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . 5 O 4 2 X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . 7 6 , . 3 X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| . 8 . O . 1 W O . . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	wms [ Tue May 04, 2010 12:44 am ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . O . B O O . . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| . 7 O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . 6 O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . 4 X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . 8 5 O 3 1 X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . , . 2 X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . O . B O O . . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Iffy at best, but the only choice it seems.

Author:	Magicwand [ Tue May 04, 2010 2:21 am ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . W X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	Magicwand [ Tue May 04, 2010 4:55 am ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c the game is over. i will trade a and b before the kill to make sure i dont have any weakness. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| 8 6 O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . 5 O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| 7 O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . 3 X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . 4 . O 2 W X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . , . 1 X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . b X a . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	Solomon [ Tue May 04, 2010 8:01 am ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
Players can't read this, only observers. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . a X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . 7 3 O 2 O X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . 5 4 , . 1 X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| . 6 . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . b . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] This way still leaves the most possibilities for Black. What Black needs to do is keep the liberties on the D11 group tight. After 7, if 'a': Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c White will lose liberty race by 1. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . W X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . X X O O O X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . X O 5 6 X X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| 2 O 4 O 7 X O O . . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . 1 3 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] After 7, if 'b': Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Becomes complicated, but feels bad for White. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . 2 O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . 1 X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| 3 . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . X X O O O X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| 4 X O , . X X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| . O . O . X O O 6 . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . 8 W 9 . 5 X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . 7 . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] However, this second diagram is probably not the best Black or White can do.

Author:	wms [ Tue May 04, 2010 9:39 am ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . O X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . , . B X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	wms [ Tue May 04, 2010 9:44 am ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
Araban - isn't is always for observers only when people comment hidden? (Unless it specifically says it's for a player). I know I haven't been seeing any of them...

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Author:	Kirby [ Tue May 04, 2010 9:51 am ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
wms wrote: Araban - isn't is always for observers only when people comment hidden? (Unless it specifically says it's for a player). I know I haven't been seeing any of them... That was my thought as well. Maybe he wanted to tempt you more

Author:	oren [ Tue May 04, 2010 9:58 am ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
He's just clarifying the default "private" operation there as opposed to some that are meant to be read by certain "friend" people.

Author:	Solomon [ Tue May 04, 2010 10:02 am ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
wms wrote: Araban - isn't is always for observers only when people comment hidden? (Unless it specifically says it's for a player). I know I haven't been seeing any of them... Yeah, guess the comment was a bit redundant; but I guess the re-iteration can't hurt . Hope it doesn't tempt you to look, cause if you do...

Author:	Magicwand [ Tue May 04, 2010 12:54 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O W O X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . , . X X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c i will have to play a and b before i go further. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O W O X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . , . X X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . b X a . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	Magicwand [ Tue May 04, 2010 3:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
okok...i actually try to read this problem and solve. it is not easy. the problem is bigger than it seems. short answer : ko. but way more complicated because it is intertwined with top black group. i will play as below and leave the ko aji alone for a while. depends on what he plays i will decide if i am going to activate the ko aji. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . \| $$ \| . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X \| $$ \| . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . \| $$ \| . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . \| $$ \| . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O W O X O X X O X . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . , . X X O X O . O X . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . O . X O O 1 . . O . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] edited: disregard above comments i must been dreaming about somethingelse. i will go home and try to read them again.

Author:	Magicwand [ Tue May 04, 2010 5:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
i looked at this for 10 min at home now. i still dont know who is winning this local fight. at least i have pleaty of time to study and also i am ahead whatever outcome it maybe.