74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

Magicwand · **#201**

emeraldemon · **#202**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Move #213, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | B X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | O X X O . X O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . O O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . X O O X O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . O O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O X X O O O . . O O X X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . O O . O X . X O X X | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O X | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . O | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Laman · **#203**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Move #214, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | O X X O . X O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . O O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . X O O X O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O W . . X O | $$ | O X X O . O O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O X X O O O . . O O X X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . O O . O X . X O X X | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O X | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . O | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

emeraldemon · **#204**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Move #214, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | O X X O . X O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . O O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . X O O X O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O O B . X O | $$ | O X X O . O O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O X X O O O . . O O X X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . O O . O X . X O X X | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O X | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . O | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Laman · **#205**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Move #216, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | O X X O . X O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . O O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . W . X . . X O O X O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O O X . X O | $$ | O X X O . O O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O X X O O O . . O O X X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . O O . O X . X O X X | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O X | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . O | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

small, all small...

i wondered if my move is better than the second candidate (L11) and it seems it is the same - only points gained in comparison with the other diagram are marked

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | O X X O 2 X O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O x O O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . x W 1 X . 5 X O O X O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X x X O 3 O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O 4 . . O O X . X O | $$ | O X X O . O O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O X X O O O . . O O X X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X 6 O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . O O . O X . X O X X | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O X | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . O | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | O X X O 3 X O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O 4 O O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . 2 1 . X 5 W X O O X O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O 6 O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O x . . O O X . X O | $$ | O X X O . O O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O X X O O O . . O O X X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . O O . O X . X O X X | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O X | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . O | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

emeraldemon · **#206**

I'll go ahead and throw this out here: looks like W+6.5 with the prisoner and 0.5 komi. If you disagree about some sequence, just pick up from where I made the mistake, we can continue from there

If you do agree, thanks for the game!

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Moves 1 to 10 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O 4 O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O O 3 X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | O X X O 2 X O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . O O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . O 1 X . . X O O X O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O O X . X O | $$ | O X X O 0 O O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . 9 O X X O O O . . O O X X . . | $$ | . X . X 7 8 . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . O O . O X . X O X X | $$ | . X X X . 6 . X X X O O O X . X O O X | $$ | . X O X X O 5 X O O X X X . X X O . O | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 Moves 11 to 20 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O O X X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | O X X O O X O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . O O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . O X X . 9 X O O X O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O 7 O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O 8 . . O O X . X O | $$ | O X X O O O O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . X O X X O O O . . O O X X . . | $$ | . X . X X O . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . O O . O X . X O X X | $$ | . X X X . O . X X X O O O X . X O O X | $$ | . X O X X O X X O O X X X . X X O . O | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . 0 . . . . . 2 1 3 . . . 5 4 6 . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm21 Moves 21 to 27 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . 3 X O O O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O O X X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | O X X O O X O X . X O X O . . O X X 7 | $$ | O . X O . O O O X X X X O . O 6 O O X | $$ | 4 O X O . . O X X . X X O O X O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O X O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O O . . O O X . X O | $$ | O X X O O O O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . X O X X O O O . . O O X X . . | $$ | . X . X X O . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . X O O 2 . 1 O O . O X . X O X X | $$ | . X X X . O . X X X O O O X . X O O X | $$ | 5 X O X X O X X O O X X X . X X O . O | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . O . . . . . O X X . . . X O O . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Laman · **#207**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 Moves 11 to 20 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O O X X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | O X X O O X O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . O O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . O X X . 9 X O O X O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O 7 O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O 8 . . O O X . X O | $$ | O X X O O O O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . X O X X O O O . . O O X X . . | $$ | . X . X X O . X X X a O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . X O O . . . O O . O X . X O X X | $$ | . X X X . O . X X X O O O X . X O O X | $$ | . X O X X O X X O O X X X . X X O . O | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . 0 . . . . . 2 1 3 . . . 5 4 6 . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

after 19, L6 is another move worth a point, actually one point sente for black. but i agree it is w+some, so there is not much of a point in playing out the rest.

thank you for the game. it was tough and pretty close in the end. i have to leave to school soon, i am going to write longer summary in the evening (at least about positions where i changed my mind about since i commented on them in the game). now lets read hidden comments.

if you have any questions, feel free to ask, i will do my best to answer

emeraldemon · **#208**

Looking through the comments, it seems one of us misread that capturing race in the center: you thought you should die, and I thought I should! I don't have time right now, but later I'll see if I can figure out what should have happened...

Laman · **#209**

i am sorry it took me so long to return...

moves 10-24, upper side:
i think you jumped in too early, when there were many big points elsewhere. looking back and reading comments it seems you believed your group too much and i too little. better point to start with would be M17 which you also mentioned.

your move 47 (H4) was pretty good, caused lot of fun for us both.

about our center fight (55-85) and specificaly the possible semeai, i believe you would have won it, check move 70, diagram 1 (key exchange is 7-8). if you see something better for white, post it, maybe i missed it

walleye (after move 74): b looks more natural, a is too far from M8

(again for emeraldemon): as FlameBlade pointed out (after move 79), there was big aji of your not-really-dead stones which you could have used at the center fight

i was happy you did not anything about the cuts in the left center, as i've written many times during the game (for example move 98)

i like your post about endgame (move 139), funny it is exact opposite of my attitude - i enjoy math too, but in go i prefer opening and middle game, that's where you have to show something creative (nice contrast)

it was enjoyable game and i am looking forward to play you again some day. you played well, i was lucky to pull myself few points ahead in the end. if you want to discuss something, i'll be waiting. if not, my thoughts are in the comments. may the Kami no Itte by with you

emeraldemon · **#210**

Thanks for the comments, I've been going over the game & trying to understand mistakes. You were right about the capturing race. I think in this position I should have played ''a'' not ''b'':

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Black to play $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . b a . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X W X X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The problem was I didn't look at the right move in this variation:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Black to play and kill $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 3 1 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 2 X W X X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O 4 X O O O a . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X c O b . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I thought about ''a'' and ''b'', but I lose the capturing race in those variations. You found ''c'', which works. It's a little bit of a hard move to find: I was trying to close you in, which is why I was looking for moves on the other side.

In general this game made me realize my reading needs work, especially this mistake and not seeing how to play the top-left aji. Also I was mad at myself for letting you capture those 2 stones on the left in the endgame.

If you have time I'd also be interested in what you think about the potential magicwand saw in the upper right:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm160 Move #160-2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . 5 . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O 2 1 3 . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . 4 X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X B . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

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