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Offline Jedo
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #61 Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:33 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O 0 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Not quite sure what he's going for, maybe some kind of peep at N5?

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Offline Aphelion
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #62 Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:04 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm
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$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . 2 X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O 1 3 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Does Jedo not read this? Or did I miss something?
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Offline Jedo
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #63 Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:16 pm 
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Hmm... seeing that there was a hidden comment made me think of stuff I missed...
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[go]$$Wcm41
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$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O 0 2 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O 4 . 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think I can still live, but it sucks

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #64 Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:42 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51
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$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Jedo
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #65 Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:57 am 
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$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O 2 . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Once again, this sucks. He can make it ko if he wants:
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[go]$$Wcm51
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . 4 O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

or he can just take profit
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[go]$$Wcm51
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$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O 5 3 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X O 2 a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #66 Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:30 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner White:1 Black:0
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$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . 3 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Many beginner make mistake of extending and ko to cutoff the black.
it will give white more to lose when ko fight which sucks.
do not make such mistake when you play in smilar situation.

anyway..because of ko fight it will take 2x longer for this game to progress :(

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Offline Jedo
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Post #67 Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:37 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner White:1 Black:0
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$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Hmm, I sorta thought he would go for the ko

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 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #68 Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:08 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner White:1 Black:0
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O 5 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

edit:
i believe he would expect me to play at "a" but that is wrong answer.
i will play as below. if black goes there first my white group gets weak in sente.
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner White:1 Black:0
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$$ | . . . . . 7 . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X O X a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



which means that lower right corner is not big and he should tenuki.
imagine he attack me first as below. i can not tenuki and capture lower right corner.
but i will lose the flow of the game.

always think if your opponent can not play there when you tenuki then it is not right time for you to play.
i believe i said samething about 3-3 invasion.
if your opponent is not going to take one move to defend 3-3 invasion then it is probably not the right time for you to invade.
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner White:1 Black:0
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$$ | . . . . . . 6 . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Dusk Eagle
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #69 Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:09 pm 
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Magicwand wrote:
always think if your opponent can not play there when you tenuki then it is not right time for you to play.
i believe i said samething about 3-3 invasion.
if your opponent is not going to take one move to defend 3-3 invasion then it is probably not the right time for you to invade.

Hmm, this is a way of thinking I should try to put to use in my next game. It makes sense, yet I never thought about it before.

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Post #70 Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:35 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner White:1 Black:0
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$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
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I'd like to respond, I really would, but I think I simply don't have the time.
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This just seems so bad... Is it worth a 25 point tenuki though? I'm not sure.

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Post #71 Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:51 pm 
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edit: replaced missing stone. sorry about that.
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i played that point because it will give me a bridge between two white group.
it is also big.

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Post #72 Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:50 pm 
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The high-dan "stone-removal" tesuji.
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Post #73 Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:24 pm 
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The high-dan "stone-removal" tesuji.


Appropriate term is "sleeve tesuji"
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Post #74 Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:03 pm 
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I'm surprised he killed that group right away. It's certainly a lot of points, but I think I can do some damage over here.
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Hmm... will he have to play 3 at a?

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Post #75 Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:17 pm 
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i thought about tenuki for few minute and decided to save my stones.
i think i am already ahead in points so i will play safe way.

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I guess he'll hane next. A question is wether these are best left as ko threats... if I can ko out of this than obviously not though. It also gives me great thickness facing the top. If I can't get ko out of this then I'll move on (yes I am too lazy/bad to figure it out now)

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Post #77 Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:06 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Alright, ko it is, but white takes first and has a lot of threats, local and otherwise. However, it's basically a picnic ko for me, so even if I just get a big move in for free it's worth it.
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Post #79 Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:23 pm 
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added comment:
this is what i expect.
i am still behind but not by much.
4 stone handycap is almost gone.
all white groups are safe and sound
i didnt give black toomuch points.
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