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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #81 Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:59 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61 Prisoner White:1 Black:0
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$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O X 5 . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


unexpected ko. i really didnt expect that because it doesnt look right to ko.

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Offline Jedo
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #82 Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:46 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61 Prisoner White:1 Black:0
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$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X . 6 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I wonder what I'll choose for my first threat...

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #83 Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:08 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61 Prisoner White:2 Black:0
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$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X 7 X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #84 Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:13 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61 Prisoner White:1 Black:0
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O X O W . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #85 Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:31 pm 
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Post #86 Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:31 am 
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[go]$$Wcm61 Prisoner White:1 Black:0
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$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | 4 2 O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | 3 O X O 1 . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | 6 X . X 5 . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm61 Prisoner White:1 Black:0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | a O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | 8 7 X O O b . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | X X . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


From here, either black has a or b, so I think this is ultimately disadvantageous for white.

However, white still captures the ko between each move to make black burn threats.
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Offline Jedo
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #87 Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:23 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61 Prisoner White:2 Black:0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . 8 . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think Magicwand is going to have to let something go here. He has 3 threats that I would respond to:
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[go]$$Wcm61 Prisoner White:2 Black:0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O a d c . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X b X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . f O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . O e . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X 7 X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I would ignore anthing except these exchanges. The only threats I have are to make my corner group live and to cut off MW center group. Im curious to see what he thinks is most important

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #88 Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:05 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner White:2 Black:1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . W . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O B O 1 . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

let me know if you disagree.

i will answer all his ko threats. i have many ko threats myself.
ko fight will usually favor stronger player.
i didn't really count ko threats but i dont mind giving up the corner if i can play two big moves and make sure his LR group is dead.

edit:
for those who (beginners) are intrested: it took me less than 1 second to decide to answer that threat.
logic is very simple. no matter what happens best outcome for me is capturing lower right and at worst playing 2 big move somewhere else. if i dont answer his threat then i only get to play 1 move somewhere else instead of 2.
it was very simple choice for me. not answering the threat is out of the question.

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Post #89 Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:28 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner White:3 Black:1
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$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X 3 X . . . . . . . . . . X . 4 . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ugh, I forgot he can extend for one more local threat

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Post #90 Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:30 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner White:3 Black:2
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$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X 5 . |
$$ | 7 O 6 O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

edit:
very simple play but he lost many ko threats. 74 is correct way to use threats
76,78,80,a all ko threats
now i dont think i will lose this ko fight.
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner White:3 Black:1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . a O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X 0 O . |
$$ | . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X 4 7 |
$$ | . O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X 8 |
$$ | . X 3 X . . . . . . . . . . X 6 5 9 . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #91 Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:54 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner White:3 Black:2
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | 8 X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O X O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i love ko

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Post #92 Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:47 pm 
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$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X 9 X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #93 Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:37 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . 0 . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
My other choice was to just sanrensei at the top, which he would obviously ignore. He may very well ignore this too, in which case I'll cut and try to control the flow of the game. At the same time, I wonder if I should have just taken the big move.

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Post #94 Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:49 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner White:4 Black:2
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$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X 1 . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i was going to ignore this..but dont need to ignore.
i have more ko threats and he is playing a ko therat that only help me.
i will gain more points before i finish this ko fight.

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Post #95 Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:41 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner White:4 Black:3
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O 2 O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Hmm, sort of surprised he responded. It looks like I'll win the ko...
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner White:4 Black:2
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 6 7 . X X X O O 3 0 9 . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . a . . X X X 4 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X 1 . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
And then I still have the final ko threat at a to cut him off, and I'll ignore any threat he plays after that. He can get one more threat this way:
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner White:4 Black:2
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X b X a . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 6 7 . X X X O O 3 9 0 . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X 4 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X 1 . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
But after I capture here I'm more than happy to just get some free moves. Lets see what happens.

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Post #96 Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:52 am 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner White:4 Black:3
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O X O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

my goal is to break him on this ko fight.
i think this is legit ko threat.
if he refuse to answer then i earn more points and ko fight will be even bigger than before which i dont mind.

one lesson sdk can learn from this game is to ko fight.
i will not use any ko threats that will make me lose points. (example below: point "a")
i dont think i will play that ko threat unless i really need ko threat.
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner White:4 Black:3
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$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O a . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O X O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


my expectation: if he choose to ignore i will still live and status of the corner is still ko.
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner White:4 Black:3
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 X 7 . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . 5 3 . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | 4 X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #97 Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:06 pm 
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more comment:
after closer look at this i think i was wrong.
he might play 88 and let me have 2 stone. i dont like it..
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner White:4 Black:3
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 X 7 . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . 5 3 . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | . . X O O 8 . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | 4 X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



below will be the optimal path for both black and white.
he will use 'a' as a ko threat but i will refuse it.
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner White:4 Black:3
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X a . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | 6 5 X O O 8 . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | 4 X 9 X 7 . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #98 Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:22 pm 
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$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . 4 O . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O X O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ugh, even after I ignore one of his threats it becomes another ko where I take first, meaning I have to ignore two threats
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner White:4 Black:3
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$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | 3 9 O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | . 8 X O O 4 . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | 2 X 7 . 5 6 . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm not quite sure how to think of this yet. My bad for somehow not consciously thinking about this earlier

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 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #99 Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:26 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner White:5 Black:3
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X 5 X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner White:5 Black:3
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 6 . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ok, on second read I actually don't need to ignore another ko threat, thank god.
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner White:5 Black:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . 8 . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | 7 O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | 5 6 O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | . . 2 O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | 4 X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I win the capturing race. And this is a big pretty ko too. And it really does seem like I have one more threat than white...

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