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Offline zinger
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Post #201 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:13 pm 
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I'm going to take a breather and think about this now. It is so close, that every move could be the difference between winning and losing. I can't afford another careless mistake like C13.

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Offline quantumf
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Post #202 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:23 pm 
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I guess you guys will remember prisoners in your final count...


Black captured a stone at R14, while white captured stones at C17, B2, F4 and G3. Were there others? Probably worth the players keeping track of the prisoners in the posts.
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Post #203 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:25 pm 
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i am losing few points and i dont think i can make it up unless he make a big mistake....
i didnt bother count and thought i was winning.. my bad..
but..i think i will have one more chance.

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Post #204 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:46 pm 
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[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 1 . X O X . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand, I added the prisoner count in the diagram caption, please verify.

This is worth 7 points by itself. It may also give me a point or two of equity in the F15 area, since I can more easily ignore white there. I guess that is biggest right now .. but I was so sad to find no sente moves.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #205 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:59 pm 
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[go]$$Wc prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X O X . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . 2 . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X 1 X X O . O X 3 , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

wow..that look small..compare to what i played..

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Offline daniel_the_smith
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Post #206 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:04 pm 
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Wasn't p19 sente for zinger?

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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #207 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:11 pm 
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While it's not sente, Q10 seems pretty big for black, as it either threatens white's eyespace or captures S9 for several points.

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Offline HKA
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Post #208 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:11 pm 
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daniel_the_smith wrote:
Wasn't p19 sente for zinger?


Yes. I was unaware of the prisoner count - with zinger being up by 4 there, I think he is ok. P19 followed by k18 seems like sente to me, then r9 should make him comfortable

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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #209 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:12 pm 
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Oh, thanks HKA. K18 skips to the same effect with less waste.

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Post #210 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:13 pm 
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HKA wrote:
daniel_the_smith wrote:
Wasn't p19 sente for zinger?


Yes. I was unaware of the prisoner count - with zinger being up by 4 there, I think he is ok. P19 followed by k18 seems like sente to me, then r9 should make him comfortable


zinger is down by 4 prisoners, isn't he?

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Post #211 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:17 pm 
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Kirby wrote:
HKA wrote:
daniel_the_smith wrote:
Wasn't p19 sente for zinger?


Yes. I was unaware of the prisoner count - with zinger being up by 4 there, I think he is ok. P19 followed by k18 seems like sente to me, then r9 should make him comfortable


zinger is down by 4 prisoners, isn't he?


Well, it says prisoners white 5 - I read that to mean 5 white stones are dead but it could mean white has 5 prisoners. Not sure which is right - big difference.

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Offline Kirby
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Post #212 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:20 pm 
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I think it comes from
Black captured: R14 (which is a white prisoner)
White captured: C17, B2, F4, N6, and G3 (which are black prisoners)

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Post #213 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:22 pm 
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[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X O X . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X 1 O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I hope I am not embarrassing myself in this endgame.

His move was the other one I considered, worth about the same as E18 by my figures.

I figure Q2 is worth 7.5 points: 4 for me, since the first line hane/connection becomes my privelege; and 3.5 for him, 2 by itself plus half of a three point followup. That makes it bigger than R9, which is 5 points.

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Offline daniel_the_smith
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Post #214 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:26 pm 
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Chew Terr wrote:
Oh, thanks HKA. K18 skips to the same effect with less waste.


Huh? Well, I guess it might not matter which order you play them in.

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Post #215 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:28 pm 
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[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X O X . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #216 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:44 pm 
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[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X O X . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OK, I kept sente that time, let's see if I can again, before taking R9 or maybe K19.

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Post #217 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:48 pm 
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This is an interesting game. Can you guys just email me the result when you're finished, so that I can stop checking to see if somebody's moved?

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Post #218 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:52 pm 
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Kirby wrote:
This is an interesting game. Can you guys just email me the result when you're finished, so that I can stop checking to see if somebody's moved?

heheh, what fun is that?

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Post #219 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:53 pm 
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[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X O X . . . W . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i am still down few points...

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Post #220 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:58 pm 
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I count black up by five or so, even with prisoners.

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