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Offline mw42
 Post subject: 155: Magicwand vs. mw42
Post #1 Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:18 pm 
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EDIT: Forgot the board; that's usually important! :blackeye:


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Offline Magicwand
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Post #2 Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:49 pm 
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i guessed even..
your move to start.

i am ahead by 6.5 on this game!!! :clap:

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Offline mw42
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Post #3 Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:35 pm 
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Ahh, my first success in this game!

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Post #4 Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:41 pm 
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #8 Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:07 pm 
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let's try something he is not used to. that will make him very uncomfortable.
again..i would never play that on even game.

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Post #9 Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:33 pm 
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This position (with :w6: a one-space pincer) occurs fairly often in professional games. :b7: is the most common reply. With :w6: at (a) :b7: becomes even better. There is less pressure on :b5: and an ideal approach for white is removed.

I suppose there are many more possibilities here. For example, the double-approach at (b), but this is more common when black has occupied (c). Also, I see (d) played (I've even played it), but it's not very good. Tenuki even, of course, so early in the opening. But :b7: is the best move in this position.

Oh, and please ask questions. My posts are usually not very detailed, but I'd enjoy trying to answer questions.


I've noticed I say "I think" or "in my opinion" a lot when commenting on positions. This reflects my awareness of my own weakness, and my desire to put a disclaimer on everything I say so that I am not held responsible for any injury that may occur from taking my advice. I am going to stop this, so please don't try any of this at home -- or do (whatever), but let my rank serve as a warning!

Also, since this seems to be the biography tag for this Malkovich, I am going to try to play this game slowly and deliberately. Lately, I've been more interested in the result rather than the game. Which inevitably leads to blunders and swears and sundry.


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Post #10 Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:41 pm 
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i am still waiting for him to solve the problem on lower left.
if he jump in 3-3, my marked stone is ideally spaced..so what are you going to do?
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Post #11 Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:47 pm 
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This move surprises me. I feel that after the shimari the bottom side becomes uninteresting. My first instinct is the double approach and see how he responds, but I am going to call it a night and see how I feel tomorrow.
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@Magicwand:

Magicwand wrote:
again..i would never play that on even game.

Isn't this an even game?

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tj86430 wrote:
@Magicwand:

Magicwand wrote:
again..i would never play that on even game.

Isn't this an even game?

it is not. i am much stronger than he is.
i think i can easily beat him on two stone. maybe 3.

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tj86430 wrote:
@Magicwand:

Magicwand wrote:
again..i would never play that on even game.

Isn't this an even game?

it is not. i am much stronger than he is.
i think i can easily beat him on two stone. maybe 3.

I thought you meant even as in "no handicap". Of course you are much stronger than he is, but OTOH I always thought that when a stronger player plays an even (i.e. no handicap) game, he doesn't need to do anything "special". Or are you a cat that likes to play with the mouse?

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@Magicwand:
I thought you meant even as in "no handicap". Of course you are much stronger than he is, but OTOH I always thought that when a stronger player plays an even (i.e. no handicap) game, he doesn't need to do anything "special". Or are you a cat that likes to play with the mouse?

no. By creating unfamiliar shape he will make mistake.
If you fight a little kids do you worry how you fight?

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Post #17 Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:11 am 
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3-3 invasion?
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This is my expectation. I don't really like invading at the 3-3 here, I feel I am obeying Magicwand. In any case, :b19: so white can't surround. I have a reduction at (a) later. I expect Magicwand to play at (b). I didn't like the option of :b19: at (c).
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Post #19 Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:15 pm 
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