35. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

topazg · **#181**

For Kirby:

Kirby · **#182**

topazg wrote:

For Kirby:

Kirby · **#183**

I think that I am just going to resign. I will likely learn more from reading the comments of this game and reviewing it than by trying to win in the end.

I would like to go over all of the comments that everyone has, but after that, will you play me at 4 stones, Magicwand?

Magicwand · **#184**

thank you for the game.
set up the board. and please lets not go to 5 stones.

Chew Terr · **#185**

Just from your comments, Kirby, you would probably play better if you pretended you were playing me... I'm not good enough to comment on any of the actual plays, but the psychology aspect was evident.

Kirby · **#186**

Chew Terr wrote:

Just from your comments, Kirby, you would probably play better if you pretended you were playing me... I'm not good enough to comment on any of the actual plays, but the psychology aspect was evident.

The "psychology aspect"? Could you elaborate?

Chew Terr · **#187**

Sorry, didn't mean anything bad by it, I just recognize some of the patterns I fall into in large-handicap games against stronger players. You get scared, and give up sente too easily, as topazg mentioned. I find myself afraid to play pincers and tricky moves when I know my opponent is stronger. Or I try to use handicap stones to make 'easy' territory, which never seems to work for me. I seem to play best against stronger players when I play very solidly and firmly, as though the game is even. I have to convince myself that my opponent is human, and if I feel my corner is safe, I need to leave it and take the initiative. Long story short, I seem to play much worse when I am trying to adapt for a difference in strength. Whether you're a fan or not, there's a chapter in Kageyama's about this specifically. If you play with a different spirit to turn handicaps into 'safe wins', you're setting yourself up for a fall. You're pretty good at this game yourself, so don't let yourself forget it. =)

Kirby · **#188**

Chew Terr wrote:

Sorry, didn't mean anything bad by it, I just recognize some of the patterns I fall into in large-handicap games against stronger players. You get scared, and give up sente too easily, as topazg mentioned. I find myself afraid to play pincers and tricky moves when I know my opponent is stronger. Or I try to use handicap stones to make 'easy' territory, which never seems to work for me. I seem to play best against stronger players when I play very solidly and firmly, as though the game is even. I have to convince myself that my opponent is human, and if I feel my corner is safe, I need to leave it and take the initiative. Long story short, I seem to play much worse when I am trying to adapt for a difference in strength. Whether you're a fan or not, there's a chapter in Kageyama's about this specifically. If you play with a different spirit to turn handicaps into 'safe wins', you're setting yourself up for a fall. You're pretty good at this game yourself, so don't let yourself forget it. =)

I was not offended. I will think about what you have said. Thank you very much.

daniel_the_smith · **#189**

Not too long ago, a 2 or 3d gave me some stones on KGS. He unexpectedly resigned after I managed to catch some stones. Looking at the board after the game, I realized that the white thickness I'd been so worried about a few moves ago was really just a few lonely stones scattered here and there. I've since had a different outlook on being black in handicap games.

Bill Spight · **#190**

Kirby wrote:

Chew Terr wrote:

Just from your comments, Kirby, you would probably play better if you pretended you were playing me... I'm not good enough to comment on any of the actual plays, but the psychology aspect was evident.

The "psychology aspect"? Could you elaborate?

I am reminded of a saying from when I was a martial arts student:

"When you are sparring with a child, pretend he is a master, When you are sparring with a master, pretend that he is a child."

Harleqin · **#191**

I think that you lost the first handicap stone getting enclosed in the top right, the second getting enclosed in the top left, and the third getting enclosed in the centre. I believe that your behaviour on the top totally neglected the stones at the bottom---you should not say "I'll grab territory, because my handicap stones will reduce your influence" but "I connect to my hoshi stones in order to use them".

So, for example, move 4 should jump back to the side hoshi, and move 6 should play either the tobi or a high pincer.

Kirby · **#192**

Bill Spight wrote:

Kirby wrote:

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My feeling is that this is an unwise approach. It may be successful at 3 stones, but. . . . Black has already gone for peanuts in the top right corner, while apparently letting his pincer stone die a dog's death. I believe in sacrifice, but really!

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It seems to me that after :w2:

Black has already lost one stone of his advantage, if not more.

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IMO, this is more like it.

keeps White from expanding his framework here, and calls, albeit distantly, to :bc:

. It also threatens to make a nice framework on the left side.

Edit: Unhidden.

I don't really understand this. If I am going to try to play territorially, isn't it inconsistent to break up the framework?

I feel like the 3-3 is worth a lot of points. Is my intuition just bad?

Kirby · **#193**

Magicwand wrote:

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i have some time now so i will comment on kerby's game.
as i explained earlier black lost few points. now by defending corner he lose aji and sente.
too painful. so he must achieve sente by exchanging 1 and 2.(exchange is necessary to protect the corner)
after that something like 3 will limit white's growth.

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and also why he answer my shoulder move was wrong.
white is showing a sign of growth (like hulk) and he helped me grow even bigger by giveing me a push.
below is a picture that i would've played. i still dont like white's moyo but it is much better than Kerby's choice.

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is he serious???
can he not see that white is growing uncontrolablely?
10 out of 10 players over 5 dan will play 2. 100 out of 100 will not answer at "a"

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another mistake. black can not play this way and expect to win.
i think he believes he has advantage because of 3 stone handy.
he already lost more than 1 stone. i would have went in deep as 1.
it is not easy to attack with cap because of a,b aji.
and i will not draw boundary to secure my point. (i probably tenuki)
but he has to play at least 1. it is that urgent.

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to: daniel_the_smith and others
see what happens if you say you like my comment?
you will get more comments

Isn't the aji from R17 in the first diagram dangerous?

Kirby · **#194**

Magicwand wrote:

this game Kerby's mind is not functioning properly.
i remember a friend of mine who takes 3 stone played me series of game with changing handycap on each defeat. he lost on 7 stones and 8 stones and wen down to 9 stones.
after the defeat your minds plays trick on you and play over defensive.
i dont know what he has in his mind..but i think it is a perfect timing for him to probe as below.
but since he is playing aji keshi the probe is not effective as before.

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or as below.

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Good point. I agree.

Kirby · **#195**

daniel_the_smith wrote:

I agree that the tengen attachment was a bad move. I am curious about what I should play here, though. White's influence is quite large at this point. Have I already lost the game here?

Kirby · **#196**

daniel_the_smith wrote:

Is there a better response to his attachment?

Kirby · **#197**

Magicwand wrote:

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What is correct here?

Kirby · **#198**

Bill Spight wrote:

Kirby wrote:

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This play baffles me. As well as the fact the Kirby only mentions the large knight's extension as an alternative. What is so great about the left side? White is already strong there. Black has no attack, and the remaining 2 space extension is small. In addition, what relation does this play have with Black's other stones?

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is the obvious play, Not only is it a big point, it has a good relation to the marked stones.

People sometimes shrug off opening mistakes of this kind by saying that it only costs a point or two. But if you lost 2 points on every move you would get crushed. I would not be surprised if the difference between this play and the play in the game is more than two points.

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For an alternative you might think of plays like this, to make it a bit easier to throw the tengen stone away. (Not that I recommend it, but it is better than the game play.)

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Or if you want to extend from the bottom left corner, extend on the bottom side, where you have potential to develop.

Edit: Unhidden.

I don't understand this, exactly. Isn't it big for white to approach on the left? It seems that he can complement his influence well this way.

Kirby · **#199**

Bill Spight wrote:

Magicwand wrote:

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Black is still ahead, but White is on pace to win, thanks to Black's lackluster play. I am glad that Kirby is thinking of attacking. However, White has only one weak group now.

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is the obvious play to try to mount an attack, leaning against the White group on the bottom side. But then Black does not seem to have much against the marked White stone, given the weakness of the Black tengen stone (marked).

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here looks more flexible, aiming at the one space jump or the jump attachment (marked).

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It seems to me that the key to this position is Black's tengen stone. If it dies a dog's death it will be hard for Black to win. :b1:

comes to mind. Now B"a" does attack the marked White stone as well as the White group on the bottom side. If White plays on the bottom side, then B"b" looks good.

Edit: While I was writing this note, Kirby played the approach on the bottom side.

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This is a good play, too. It extends Black's framework while attacking, a dual-purpose play.

Edit: Unhidden.

J7 is an interesting idea. It's not really a territorial play though, is it? Is it more important for me to try to generate influence at this point in the game?

Kirby · **#200**

Harleqin wrote:

Your idea is similar to what mine was during the game.

35. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

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