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 Post subject: Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Post #141 Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:20 am 
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The group seems dead.

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[go]$$Bc Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . X . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O X . X . O . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O 2 . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . O . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . X . . 1 O O 3 . |
$$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . X . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O X . X . O . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . O . O . . X . 3 . 2 . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . X . . 1 O O . . |
$$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Post #142 Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:56 am 
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 Post subject: Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Post #143 Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:22 am 
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . X . X . 4 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . 3 . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . X . . 5 . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

probably not optimal play but this is better than what you played IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Post #144 Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:26 am 
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . X . X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

as you alread know..knight moves are known to have "flexability" and/or "tension" so it is not easily cut.
i really didnt think about how i can answer because i didnt expect that cut attempt.
initial feeling is that this will not work.

edit:
which lead me to believe that your attack on my stone was not good
or leaving invasion point was not good. (as i pointed your loose move before)

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 Post subject: Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Post #145 Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:32 am 
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I agree my cut was a disaster. You may well be right regarding the looseness of the move. The whole game plan was to play a very different style of game to normal - mostly experimentation to be honest. I'm interested in your score estimate though. When I played the silly hane at the bottom edge (move 130 I think), I should have played my first instinct at Q4 - at which point I thought the game was pretty even, with possibly a White edge, whereas you thought you were ahead.

Would you like to continue the board from that position as I'm keen to see if my estimation was as badly off as you suspect? Or shall we just play another game :P

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Post #146 Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:34 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X C X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X C X . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . 4 O . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . X . X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

for SDK and DDK or even lower dan.
52,53 exchange was the biggest mistake i see from this game.
it is better off killing your group then have that exchange.
it is that bad.

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Post #147 Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:38 am 
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topazg wrote:
I agree my cut was a disaster. You may well be right regarding the looseness of the move. The whole game plan was to play a very different style of game to normal - mostly experimentation to be honest. I'm interested in your score estimate though. When I played the silly hane at the bottom edge (move 130 I think), I should have played my first instinct at Q4 - at which point I thought the game was pretty even, with possibly a White edge, whereas you thought you were ahead.

Would you like to continue the board from that position as I'm keen to see if my estimation was as badly off as you suspect? Or shall we just play another game :P


my estimate is very accurate (man~ now i sound like Robert).
you were losing close to 10 points.

another game will be fine.
how about i give you black. and .5 komi?
if you set i will start playing.

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Post #148 Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:52 am 
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Magicwand wrote:
topazg wrote:
I agree my cut was a disaster. You may well be right regarding the looseness of the move. The whole game plan was to play a very different style of game to normal - mostly experimentation to be honest. I'm interested in your score estimate though. When I played the silly hane at the bottom edge (move 130 I think), I should have played my first instinct at Q4 - at which point I thought the game was pretty even, with possibly a White edge, whereas you thought you were ahead.

Would you like to continue the board from that position as I'm keen to see if my estimation was as badly off as you suspect? Or shall we just play another game :P


my estimate is very accurate (man~ now i sound like Robert).
you were losing close to 10 points.

another game will be fine.
how about i give you black. and .5 komi?
if you set i will start playing.


Sure, give me a couple of days to deal with my blunder frustration, and I'll set it up :D


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