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Author: | otenki [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:34 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
I'm pretty sure this is not joseki but... want to keep this complex so sabakiing out of there. I thought about P14 but then he can harras me also while developing so no thanks. |
Author: | Unusedname [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
first thoughts are relieved. i still have the ability to harass this group and i think the cut is targetable later on although i really want to do it now. I think play this side white backs off then i'll go with my 3-5 approach plan |
Author: | otenki [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:00 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
Works nicly with my 5-3 stone. Is risky business howhever. |
Author: | Unusedname [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
i feel like the only move is the double approach but i never feel like the result is actually all that beneficial for black. white attaches to my top stone then my bottom stone looks very lonely i'm tempted to just do one point jump and start to expand and maybe build a moyo off the weakness at the top right. maybe i should just take the big point at K4 and make him enclose his corner. i think i'll go with the big point
next i'll play around a to pressure the white group if he fixes that group i'll see about either double approaching or taking the corner away from his 3-5 stone. the reason i changed the placement of 9 is because at 9 white still has a 2 space extension also it looks better for picnering a one space approach to my 4-4 stone |
Author: | The Intrepid [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
@otenki otenki wrote: Works nicly with my 5-3 stone. Is risky business howhever. Could you elaborate what risk you perceive? |
Author: | otenki [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
The Intrepid wrote: @otenki otenki wrote: Works nicly with my 5-3 stone. Is risky business howhever. Could you elaborate what risk you perceive?Invasion at c14 for example but I guess thats not a problem then i'll push him in the corner. |
Author: | otenki [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
Build influence for use with my (18) stone. |
Author: | Unusedname [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
hmm not sure how to feel about this but this is something i do not want to tenuki from. still eyeing the top right bottom right bottom left also i now see the benefit of playing white for some reasons i thought we would be taking turns updating the diagram. |
Author: | otenki [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
Fight! |
Author: | Unusedname [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
interesting
this is my first reaction but that seems to give white too much although i really do want to develop this up and outward.
i think i'm getting too attached to this top territory if i take the corner from white he ends up with a wall facing my thickness so i take his corner and we both get nothing on the side. now he has to defend i'm a little upset that he gets a ladder breaker but who knows i might decide to ignore it |
Author: | otenki [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
Indeed what I expect him to do. I was hoping he would not play e18 because that leads to lots of complications for white which I'm very bad at handling. Lets see what he does next |
Author: | Unusedname [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
nervous very nervous close fighting like this scares me
can i be content with a result like this?
what about this? what is the correct timing? i don't think white can double hane. after this my thoughts just repeat about how scared i am haha |
Author: | otenki [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
After this, double hane !!! |
Author: | Unusedname [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
alright good he hasn't played something i haven't seen yet
i was a little worried about a play here but only because i didn't read it very well.
i'm pretty sure he'll defend around 8 and then i have to decide between atari or just descend descend is sente for me but the group looks very weak so it's no longer sente i think atari is what i'll go with. anyways on my way out. hope he doesn't play some super surprise move i never saw coming any glaring flaws in my though process yet? i know the top right is very exploitable but i'm waiting for the right time to attack it |
Author: | otenki [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
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Author: | Unusedname [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
i'm scared again alright so i looked at it loosely but i don't need the whole corner so my plan is this
and at this point i need to decide on a or b i'm not sure if a is enough i might need b to force white to capture the cutting stones. i'm thinking
and if that doesn't work i'll settle for this
well i can make it very complicated by involving the top right stones but that wouldn't be a good idea cause i can't read out the whole thing
hmmm this isn't looking good
maybe this is the right 9 either way this is really big to just have all my stones die now... and this move gives me my best shot. |
Author: | Unusedname [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
ugggh realizing whites gonna get a huge wall and i'm terrible at invading and since he has a stone on the 4th line reducing isn't terribly effective. i'm gonna end up with 40ish points and he's gonna end up with a wall worth a lot more at the end of this i'm going to have to figure out if i should create my double wing and threaten to invade the UR or if the left side invasion/reduction is the very most important thing. this is all assuming white completes his wall in sente and gets the enclosure move. view on the future of this game is very low i feel very negative. and it seems it's too late to make a sacrifice that allows me to break out. all my stones are too connected and necessary. hmmm well lets see what happens. so far my ideas are cap the framework let him solidify and then try to use the wall and harass the UR i'm starting to wonder if i'm focusing too much on the value of this group. |
Author: | otenki [ Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
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Author: | Unusedname [ Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:25 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
hmm wel i guess the area isn't that definiively his... it is still pretty open...
idk
idk idk idk
idk actually i think an invasion is silly because i don't want to be sealed in. there's no way for me to destroy enough territory but i don't know how much i need to reduce for it to be enough
no
maybe
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Author: | otenki [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #191: Otenki vs Unusedname |
I thought about tenuki but now i've decided to finish this joseki. I thought about stabilising my group on the right but it can live and I guess thats all it needs to do for now. Howhever I will need to do some things If I want to get the amount of points that he has at the moment. I kindoff have the feeling I'm loosing. I think what i need to do is use thickness to attack, otherwise I won't win this game. |
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