#201 drmwc vs lovelove

drmwc · **#181**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm169 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . 3 X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . 2 1 O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

lovelove · **#182**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm169 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . 4 X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · **#183**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm169 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X 5 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

lovelove · **#184**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm169 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | 6 X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · **#185**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm169 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 7 . O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

lovelove · **#186**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm169 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O . O 8 O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · **#187**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm169 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

lovelove · **#188**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm171 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X 8 O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · **#189**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm171 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . 9 X X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

lovelove · **#190**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm171 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O 0 | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · **#191**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm181 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O O | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X 1 | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

lovelove · **#192**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm181 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O O | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . 2 X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · **#193**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm181 Prisoners: Black 3 White 6 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O 4 . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O 3 5 | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O O | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'll write up my thoughts this evening. (I had a long write up prepared, but I got logged off and it was lost.)

Am I following the correct convention for showing prisoners? B has captured 6; W has captured 3 - the notation above may be inverted.

lovelove · **#194**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm181 Prisoners: Black 3 White 6 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O O . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O X X | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | 6 . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · **#195**

@drmwc:

drmwc · **#196**

topazg:

It's worse than the move played. Consider the follow up after I hane as in the diagrm:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c 2 tenuki $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | 2 . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O 9 | $$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O 8 O O . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O 6 3 O 0 O 7 O X X | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . 4 5 O O X X . . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

9 is my sente with the move I played, it is gote with the other move. Note that I have connected underneath - I don't need to atari. If I play the snapback, this sequence is no longer sente for me, and takes less points:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c 2 tenuki $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | 2 . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O O | $$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O 8 O O X | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O 6 3 O . O 7 O X X | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . 4 5 O O X X . . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Uberdude · **#197**

emeraldemon · **#198**

@lovelove:

Bill Spight · **#199**

@ topazg

drmwc · **#200**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm181 Prisoners: Black 3 White 6 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O O . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O X X | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | O 7 X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Here are the comments I intended to make for my previous move:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm181 Prisoners: Black 3 White 6 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . d . X O O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O g . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O c . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O O | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X a X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X f . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X b O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . e . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

There are big moves at a, b and c. The peep at d is potentially big and but it's nastier if I can reduce white's liberties on the LHS first.

a is around 9 points. Not that the connection makes e almost sente for B (a threatens a follow up move worth 6 points in gote,

b is around 6 points in sente if W answers at f. If W doesn't answer at, B's follow up is:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c 2 tenuki $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X a X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X 4 . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X 1 O 3 6 . . O X X . . . . | $$ | 2 . . . . . . 5 . . . . e . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This gains a further 4 or 5 points in sente, giving the original move a value of 10 or 11 points - it seems to marginally larger than a in the first diagram. B5 isn't truly sente, but I got bored of counting at this point.

c has a base value of 7 points - W gains 4 points and compared to W connecting at f, W loses 3 points. Then the hane I showed in my reply to Topazg is either 3 points in sente for B or 6 points in gote, so this move is worth 10 points.

The reason I chose the slightly smaller out b and c is the aji of the peep at d - if W has no eyes, it may quite become a lot of fun for me.

I hadn't considered 86 in the game. But I think that 87 is a reasonable reply.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O O . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O X X | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | 3 . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | O 1 X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | 7 . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | 2 5 . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | 4 X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . | $$ | 6 O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

In this variation, B keeps enough territory and can capture the two stones on the edge later. So here's another idea for W:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$ $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O O . | $$ | 6 O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O X X | $$ | 5 O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X | $$ | 8 O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | 4 O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | 2 7 X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | O 1 X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | 3 . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

W has reduced my side from 12 points to 8 points, but in gote, and has reduced his liberties. Continuing from here, W needs to be careful:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$ $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 6 1 2 X O O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . . . O O 5 O O O . O O X O O . O O . | $$ | O O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O X X | $$ | 4 O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X | $$ | O O 3 X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | O O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | O X X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | O X X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | X . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Answering the peep at 2 is dangerous. It's hard to answer B 5 - for example. the block shown loses.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$ $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . 5 9 8 . 7 a . X X X . . . . . . . . | $$ | 6 4 3 . O X O X O O X X X X X X X O . | $$ | . 2 1 O O X O O O . O O X O O . O O . | $$ | O O X O X O 0 . . O . b O . O , O X X | $$ | O O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X | $$ | O O X X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | O O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . | $$ | O X X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . | $$ | O X X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . | $$ | X . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Next , B plays at a for a giant ko. B has ko threats e.g. at b, so B wins this line by about 400 points.

lovelove is quite a light player, so he will probably just tenuki and not get sucked into my nonsense. Which is a shame, because I like lines like these.

#201 drmwc vs lovelove

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