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Re: Teamovitch #1

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A and b are the only sensible options I can think of. To tenuki isn't an option as our corner would get destroyed, and any further extension would be too loose. So do we want to extend high or low?

High: Put more pressure on the near white group and more room for expansion at the top.
Low: No need to go back to close our open skirt and makes the top side smaller.

I think extending low is the right choice for the following reasons. First of all, extending low makes the top side less interesting, something that is very good for us.
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If we extend high like this, white can approach as shown at some point later. It's an annoying shape for us to deal with and it works really nice with white's upper left formation. Additionally, I don't want to have to run back to patch it up; there are other things I would rather deal with.

So this sounds fine, but what about the downsides of playing low? We put less pressure on white and can be pressed down.:
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White can try a sequence that starts like this. However, I am happy to take the solid point and I don't think white will have much use for the thickness. Additionally, I'm not too worried about our pincer stone:
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The white push here is obviously normallly bad, but white might resort to it in a case like this. Even so though, we have an easy out:
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Re: Teamovitch #1

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Black suggestion:
I agree with Jedo's analysis. Either a high or low extension is mandatory now, and since he suggested the low, I'll suggest the high (a in his first diagram). A two space extension (N16 or N17) is not solid enough in this shape.
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Re: Teamovitch #1

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Rules/ettiquette questions:

Does the captain have to wait for three suggestions? I think that all of us here knew that there was only one move for white.
And I think that we all know what the two suggestions made by Jedo and Fwiffo are, and we all know that I must choose one of those two.

Further on that line of thought: what if it is really obvious? Can a captain chose a move without any suggestions?
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:Rules/ettiquette questions:

Does the captain have to wait for three suggestions? I think that all 8 of us here knew that there was only one move for white.

Further on that line of thought: what if it is really obvious? Can a captain chose a move without any suggestions?
I say yes to the first question, and no to the second. If someone suggests the move that you most want, it seems logical that you could select it. If another member wanted to select a different move, they can just ask about it in a team-hidden question, and you can answer then.

No to the second, because us regular members may miss things that you captains think is obvious. That said, team members can set up triggers. For example, I could say "If black takes x move, I suggest y. If they follow with x2, I suggest y2." That sort of thing would help to fill in the 'obvious' suggestions.

This is, of course, just my thought on the issues.
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Re: Teamovitch #1

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I think a captain can play any moves that his soldiers suggest. If there's only one option but the captain really wanted to play it anyway, he can take it, but only provided it has already been suggested.

That's my 2p anyway :)
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Re: Teamovitch #1

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To observers and teammates:
I used to think that we wanted to play high to further pressure their three-stone group to improve the chances of our R8 stone when it runs. But as both Jedo and I have described, there are some very effective ways for black to handle the lone pincer stone. I'm content to grab a ~20 point lead, and put the burden of proof on white.

What finally pushed me toward this move was the proverb that says that it is ok to have one weak group, but not two. It may get a bit violent over on the right side as our weak group gets chased, and I want all the hatches battened down elsewhere.

Ours is in the bank, white players! Where is yours?
@Jordus:
I trust you'll pardon me for playing without waiting for your suggestion. There were only two sane moves, and both had been suggested.
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Re: Teamovitch #1

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To my team:
We have sente, let's really think about this one. I know exactly what I want, so I'm banking on your awesomeness to find it :)
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I want O3. I really think we get the whole lower right corner that way, and either get to take that annoying Black stone on the right for a really good side, or get to support O3 and neutralise Black's thickness.

I'll throw a couple of ruminated sequences out if people ask :)
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Re: Teamovitch #1

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Joaz Banbeck wrote:I'm content to grab a ~20 point lead, and put the burden of proof on white.
WHAT? He thinks there's a 20 (Twen-Ty) points lead? Nonsense. This looks like a pretty balanced position to me. Even if either side is slightly better off, the difference is only marginal - certainly worth no more than a few points. At our level, games are not decided this early.
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Re: Teamovitch #1

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I assume white will choose some kind of jump like this. I wonder if they will consider just leaving the stone for now. after all to say it has "aji" it a vast understatement, and unfortunately I don't see a way to shut it down with one move. If they tenuki, would we take the time to play something in the area? I think so for that stone and our pincer stone are the weakest on the board, and anything else is a coffee break move.
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Re: Teamovitch #1

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Jedo wrote:thoughts
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I assume white will choose some kind of jump like this. I wonder if they will consider just leaving the stone for now. after all to say it has "aji" it a vast understatement, and unfortunately I don't see a way to shut it down with one move. If they tenuki, would we take the time to play something in the area? I think so for that stone and our pincer stone are the weakest on the board, and anything else is a coffee break move.
To teammates:
I can't imagine that they will leave it. The aji goes both ways. If we ever get a move in one of the shaded areas:
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...then R4 by us really hurts them:
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...or:
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It probably doesn't matter anyway. I think that the soldiers will compel Topazg to make their next move on the lower right side. My guess is that he will receive suggestions of O4, P4, and P5
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Re: Teamovitch #1

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@ Joaz and teammates

*EDIT*
nvm... lol... I missed that we made the move... and yes.. I am ok with the move being made without my suggestion... I agree with both jedo and fwiffo that it is the correct one...
I'm thinking...
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Re: Teamovitch #1

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I request that we consider the three from my last post. I recommend the press. It gives up profit, but we can take what amounts to the entire right side.

I thank black for their last gote sequence. It let us to great things in the bottom right, and they just got a corner with aji, although not as large of aji as if they went with the one point jump.
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Re: Teamovitch #1

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@Red:
Can I clarify you mean the press at P4, or the jump out you mentioned in your last post? If it's the press, can we have a variation for Black's push and cut? Chew, in case you're planning on suggesting a taisi, can we see a variation that we expect to work taking into account Black's R9 pincer stone?
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I actually quite like the jump out Red suggested, however, I think I prefer the press. There is a joseki that involves the near tight pincer where Black pushes and cuts, that goes a bit like this:
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[go]$$Bcm13 Move 13 - B:0 - W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 9 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 5 4 O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . 2 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think White may make some good use ofo this, and I'm happy with this sort of direction. However, the pincer is far, and I don't know if it still works:
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[go]$$Bcm13 Move 13 - B:0 - W:0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . b . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 9 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 5 4 O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . 2 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Now "a" doesn't work for Black, as White can cut immediately, and will get a fabulous result. "b" looks fine, but obviously White takes "a" and Black is on the run. What's more, :w14: has so much fantastic aji, I cannot see Black protecting both the bottom and right. I'll be interested to see what push and cut lines redundant has considered :)

EDIT: Hmmm, maybe I still prefer the O3 lines more than the press, this looks crazy complicated for both sides - will have a look at the jump out in more detail soon as well
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Re: Teamovitch #1

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[go]$$Wcm13 Move 13 - B:0 - W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . 5 1 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
And they have much more to worry about than we do. They have to take care of their floating group, their corner group, and we can separate their pincer stone from the floating group. It's two weak groups for us to three for them.
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Re: Teamovitch #1

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My wife was curious about why I have been spending so much time studying go positions recently. So I explained this to her. She knows what normal go is, and Malkovich, but didn't know what teamovich was. When I explained it to her, she giggled and said: "Oh, it is like American politics - you get to chose from the nominated, not from the best."

I replied that there had not been any divergence yet. For our team, at least. :lol:
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