Teamovich 2

[lesenv]

well, do you want to look for another team-member or do you just want to move without Rafa? i think we mentioned a 3-days-per-move limit, but not everybody said if it was ok.

by the way: starting saturday i'm on holidays for two weeks, no internet, so feel free to move without me, i'll join you again once when i'm back.

[Mnemonic]

The problem is that ddk aren't that consistent when it comes down to posting frequently. Personally I can't think of another ddk that is interested in Malkovich games. I guess we could ask Monodalogy since he seems to be at least lurking regularly. Or ask one of the newer members like Inkwolf but we don't know if they just quit after a few months

[Marcus]

Will move tonight.

[robinz]

Is this really a DDK game any more? I'm about 8k, I think Mnemonic is about 7k, and the black team has Jordus who I think is 8/9k. I'm not sure about the other team members. But I think there's no need to restrict it to DDKs

[Marcus]

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If we want to add another player to this team, we should do so. Redundant, your thoughts?

WIC:

Contrary to robinz comment, I think Mnemonic's move is an excellent move. I expect Black will pincer trying to create a fight.

Robinz move is also playable, in my opinion ... however, I like the active aspect of R6 ... Black is almost forced to respond (it's unlikely that they will tenuki). I feel good about the flow of this game so far, and my team has been good about describing their reasoning, too.

Mnemonic already put some thoughts down on pincers, what about robinz? Any thoughts?

[Mnemonic]

First of I agree with robinz that we have probably all gotten better by now and that it would help if we could extend our member search to high sdk's. So why don't we all post our current KGS ranks and see where that leaves us.

I'm currently a strong 7k pushing 6k. But because we have a tournament coming up I plan on studying a lot (5k by July is my goal, but we'll see if I make it) Note: jordus is also 5k on KGS

Now to the question of players.
There are currently 3 low level Malkovich games going on: robinz vs 1986 and Tryphon vs hailthorn. 1986 is (obviously) robinz level, so around 8k. The Tryphon vs hailthorn game is (sorry guys) ddk level. But they are both actively involved in the community and are unlikely to bail. Personally I'd be happy if any of them decide to join us. I don't mind playing a few moves without a third person, but it feels a bit lonely with only robinz to talk too

[Redundant]

No! Only the black team can replace MIAs ...

I'm fine as long as you don't have the replacement sandbag.

[Jordus]

Note: jordus is also 5k on KGS

The last official KGS game I played I was 8k... the rest is just inflation... I doubt I am 5k...

[lesenv]

I'm about 11k on kgs.

BIC:

My suggestion:

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I'll be on vacation for two weeks, so don't wait for my suggestion to come in.

[robinz]

My KGS rank is a bit irrelevant, as I don't think I've played a rated game since January - I'm off internet go at the moment (f2f is OK though, as are Malkovich games on here - not sure why, but it's just the way I feel), and also have very little time for it right now. If anyone cares, I seem to be right on the 7k/8k borderline, but that's just inflation - I was 9k last time I actively played there. My local club maintains a ranking ladder though, on which I'm currently ranked 8.5k. (But seem to be winning rather more games than I lose right now, all played at the theoretically correct handicap.) So I just call myself "about" 8k at the moment, but I don't really know.

I don't really mind who we get as a replacement for Rafa - I'd rather just get the game moving. But I do get the feeling the white team is (on paper at least!) rather stronger than the black one at the moment, so ideally it should really be a DDK, or 9k at the limit.

@Marcus (teammates and observers can also read, not that it says anything interesting):

Sorry, I have noted your question to me - I'll try to answer it at the weekend, but don't have time to deeply consider it right now.

[Mnemonic]

I heard Shaddy was intrested last time, maybe we should ask him now that the overall level has increased

I guess we agrred on someone between 11 and 10k so I sent PM's to Tryphon and Monadology.

[Mnemonic]

I guess we have a problem. I've gotten responses from both Monadology and Tryphon and here’s the deal: Tryphon is willing to play but he is 7k
So we have:

White: 8k, 7k, 6k
Black: 8k, 10k, 11k

Our options:

A: Cancel the game
I'm thinking everybody is against this so let's just skip it.

B: Ask/Wait for another DDK to come around
I'm not sure if this approach is feasible. Don't get me wrong: if we find a DDK willing to participate I'd gladly accept, but who should it be? Monadology declined, hailthorn has little time and there aren't any other players that I can think of.

C: Play on and allow the black team certain "perks"
I don't know. Maybe redundant can ask more serious rhetorical questions than Marcus, or we all give black team a turbo lesson in being SDK. But I really want this game to continue and quickly. What are your opinions?

[Tryphon]

Two other ideas :

D : swap a W and a B player. If the purpose of the game is learning, then all players are above win or loss, and they should not be worried by that.

E : enable tryphon crazy mode Weird openings (ok, it's too late), hardy tenukis, or if you want, DDK mistakes (I am at least 5d at DDK mistakes) I'd add that I don't plan to play sequences on a board before making a move, but read as far as I can (that is, 3 moves ahead in most cases, and yet, I often forget an answer) and rely to my intuition (just like MagicWand, but 15 stones weaker)

But since my rank is almost the same that the rank of people willing to play in the previous messages, and they proposed before me, I'd be willing let them my turn.

[lesenv]

i'd prefer option C (becoming sdk). but being reallistic i don't care if the teams are balanced (an 8k joining black and a ddk switching to white) or if the 8k just goes to the white team.
I think the learning won't be affected.

[Redundant]

i'd prefer option C (becoming sdk).

I'm now offering unlimited teaching games for the black team for the duration of the game