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Offline Shaddy
 Post subject: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy
Post #1 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 4:20 pm 
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[go]$$Wc Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . 1 . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My strategy here will be to make as many complications as possible in the limited space I have. I only have to live in one place, so I figure if I have five groups floating around, Magicwand won't have time to kill all of them :blackeye:. So in any situation, if I can cut, I'll cut. If I can't cut, I'll still cut.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy
Post #2 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 4:49 pm 
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[go]$$Wc Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
this should be intresting :) but i think i know what is waiting at the end...

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Offline EdLee
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I think B kills. :twisted:
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Offline hyperpape
 Post subject: Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy
Post #4 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 5:08 pm 
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Offline Shaddy
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Post #5 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 5:18 pm 
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[go]$$Wc Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . X 3 . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline mw42
 Post subject: Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy
Post #6 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 5:20 pm 
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The ladder works for black.

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Offline Dusk Eagle
 Post subject: Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy
Post #7 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 6:44 pm 
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I think Shaddy plays some variation of the killing game quite often. On KGS he's said he's even played it multiple times with Feng Yun 9p.

I still think Magicwand will win. I think Magicwand is stronger than Shaddy, and from my (limited) experience with this game I think it is easier for black than white. If Magicwand kills, it'd be interesting to see them change sides and see Magicwand attempt to live.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #8 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 6:54 pm 
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[go]$$Wc Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


:)

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Offline Shaddy
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Post #9 Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:13 am 
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[go]$$Wc Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Oh man, he wants to cut already? Here we go!
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Offline Mnemonic
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Post #10 Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:14 am 
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I must confess that I've never seen this game between two dan players, but I have watched strong kyu players and white always finds life somehow. So my prediction: white will life, but it will take over 100 moves.

btw: this is probably the "standard" opening
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[go]$$Wc Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 5 . 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . 1 . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #11 Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:20 am 
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Mnemonic wrote:
... So my prediction: white will live, but it will take over 100 moves...


My money is on MW: Shaddy resigns in less than 100.
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #12 Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:12 am 
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[go]$$Wc Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . O . 6 . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #13 Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:23 pm 
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[go]$$Wc Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Connecting looks good, right? In a game, who wouldn't play it instinctively without a thought, because black's shape gets broken and you get all connected? But that's exactly what he wants. If I connected, black would m11 and then white has a lump that can't do anything meaningful to k8 or m10.
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Post #14 Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:48 pm 
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[go]$$Wc Can white still make a living group?
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$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . 8 . X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Could you please explain your choice of :b8: ? If your reason is "random chance" I would perfectly understand. I personally do not see any difference between :b8: and H9. But if you do I would really like to hear your explanation :mrgreen:

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[go]$$Wc Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . 9 . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Free moves!
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Post #19 Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:25 pm 
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[go]$$Wc Can white still make a living group?
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$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . X |
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@Magicwand
Could you please explain your choice of :b8: ? If your reason is "random chance" I would perfectly understand. I personally do not see any difference between :b8: and H9. But if you do I would really like to hear your explanation :mrgreen:

simple. since i have one peeping stone on top, his bottome white is stronger than top. so i renforce bottom instead of top.

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