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Post #1 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:46 pm 
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The plan is to improve my reading. I will collect the positions from my games, where I missed the correct move. (Bad reading or not reading at all ;-).) For example in the diagram I let white seperate the two black stones, because I did not read at all. The two stones are easily connected with the correct next move.

[Update: The plan is to improve my intuition, pattern knowledge, sense of direction and reading.]

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[go]$$ Black to connect the two stones
$$ - . . . . . . .
$$ - . . O . . . .
$$ - . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X . . . .
$$ | . O . , . . .
$$ | . O . . O . .
$$ | . X O . . . .
$$ | . X . X . . .
$$ | . . X . X . .
$$ | . . O X O O .
$$ | . . O , . . .
$$ | . . . O . O .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Post #2 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:02 pm 
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Reading is one thing. But did you even consider the move below? The first move I looked at was trying to connect underneath and induce a shortage of liberties but I instantly dismissed it. The second was this.

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[go]$$ Black to connect the two stones
$$ - . . . . . . .
$$ - . . O . . . .
$$ - . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X . . . .
$$ | . O . , . . .
$$ | . O . 1 O . .
$$ | . X O . . . .
$$ | . X . X . . .
$$ | . . X . X . .
$$ | . . O X O O .
$$ | . . O , . . .
$$ | . . . O . O .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Still officially AGA 5d but I play so irregularly these days that I am probably only 3d or 4d over the board (but hopefully still 5d in terms of knowledge, theory and the ability to contribute).


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Post #3 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:06 pm 
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Hi Gomoto, Thanks.
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O X . . O . . . . . .
$$ | . O . X . X . . . , . . . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . O . .
$$ | . . . . . X X O O X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O X . . O . . . . . .
$$ | . O . X . X . 1 . , . . . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . O . .
$$ | . . . . . X X O O X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$B var 1 Miai cut at (a), (b)
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O X . b O . . . . . .
$$ | . O . X . X 2 1 3 . . . . .
$$ | . . O O X . O a . X . O . .
$$ | . . . . . X X O O X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$B var 2
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O X . 5 O . . . . . .
$$ | . O . X . X 4 1 3 . . . . .
$$ | . . O O X . O 2 . X . O . .
$$ | . . . . . X X O O X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$B var 3 Miai (c), (d)
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O X . . O . . . . . .
$$ | . O . X . X d 1 2 , . . . .
$$ | . . O O X . O c 3 X . O . .
$$ | . . . . . X X O O X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$B var 4 Miai (e), (f)
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O X . . O f . . . . .
$$ | . O . X . X e 1 3 4 . . . .
$$ | . . O O X . O 5 2 X . O . .
$$ | . . . . . X X O O X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ------------------------------[/go]
Quote:
The two stones are easily connected
But "easily" is relative.


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Post #4 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:06 pm 
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I spent a few minutes vainly looking for a way for Black to connect and then realized that the position was on the left side of the board, not the right :)


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Post #5 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:01 pm 
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DrStraw, your move is the "obvious" one I was talking about. :-)

EdLee, thanks for the diagrams. :-)

Easily: The two candidate moves to consider first are the two cutting points of the keima.
I missed the move anyways and played another not cutting move, easily is relative indeed. ;-)

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Post #6 Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:34 am 
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[go]$$ Black to connect the lower right stones reasonable
$$ . . X X X X X X . X O . . |
$$ O O O O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ . X X . . O X X O . . . . |
$$ X . X . X . O O O . O . . |
$$ X O . . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ O O . X X . X . O . X O . |
$$ . . X X O O X . . X X O . |
$$ O O O X O . X . O X O O . |
$$ . . . O O . X O . . X O . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$ var 1.
$$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? |
$$ ? . . X X X X X X . X O . . |
$$ ? O O O O 0 . . . X . O . . |
$$ ? . X X . 9 O X X O . . . . |
$$ ? X . X . X 8 O O O . O . . |
$$ ? X O . . . X 7 . . . X O . |
$$ ? O O . X X 6 X . O . X O . |
$$ ? . . X X O O X . 4 X X O . |
$$ ? O O O X O . X 5 O X O O . |
$$ ? . . . O O . X O 1 3 X O . |
$$ ? . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$-----------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bm11 var 1 (cont). Locally, B seems not alive.
$$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? |
$$ ? . . X X X X X X . X O . . |
$$ ? O O O O O . . . X . O . . |
$$ ? . X X 1 X O X X O . . . . |
$$ ? X . X . X O O O O . O . . |
$$ ? X O 3 2 4 X X . . . X O . |
$$ ? O O . X X O X . O . X O . |
$$ ? . . X X O O X . O X X O . |
$$ ? O O O X O . X X O X O O . |
$$ ? . . . O O . X O X X X O . |
$$ ? . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$-----------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$ var 2. Locally, B still not alive...
$$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? |
$$ ? . . X X X X X X . X O . . |
$$ ? O O O O 8 . . . X . O . . |
$$ ? . X X 7 6 O X X O . . . . |
$$ ? X . X . X 5 O O O . O . . |
$$ ? X O 9 0 . X . . . . X O . |
$$ ? O O . X X . X . O . X O . |
$$ ? . . X X O O X . 1 X X O . |
$$ ? O O O X O . X 3 O X O O . |
$$ ? . . . O O . X O 4 2 X O . |
$$ ? . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$-----------------------------[/go]


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Post #8 Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:03 am 
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In Variation 1, doesn't Black have one eye on the bottom and one in the center?

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Post #9 Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:29 am 
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:w14: made the eye false.

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Post #10 Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:22 pm 
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I was interested in the local points difference and wanted to focus on the lower right. There my mistake happened. Should have made this clear in the diagram or the text. Thanks for your posts.

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Post #11 Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:35 am 
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[go]$$c White to make a move at the bottom
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O X . O O X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , X X O O . X O O O O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . X X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . O X X O . O O O . O . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O . . X O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X X . . . X O X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . X . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O X X O X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O O O X X O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Hint:
Connect the stone at M3

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Post #12 Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:56 am 
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[go]$$Wc White to move. Which move is better? a or b?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O O . . . . O O X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . X O X X X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . X O O X X . X O O X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . O O , O X . X O , . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . O . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O . X . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc The white group is under heavy pressure
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O O . . . . O O X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . X O X X X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . X O O X X . X O O X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . O O , O X . X O , . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . O . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O . X . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . . . . . 3 O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . 5 4 2 X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc This is much better (one possible continuation).
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O O . . . . O O X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . X O X X X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . X O O X X . X O O X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . O O , O X . X O , . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . O . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O . X . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . . . . 7 4 O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 3 2 X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The white group on the right is strong and the white thickness at the top is used effectivly. Move b is better.


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Post #13 Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:04 pm 
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You need to point out in your diagram that it's White to move. I was getting confused by the latter diagrams because I was trying to find the better move for Black. :oops:


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Post #14 Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:53 pm 
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Thank you Fedya!

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Post #15 Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:40 pm 
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[go]$$ How to react to the counter hane (staircase formation) at the top?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X W . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$ This is a possible way to play.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . 3 X O . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O 2 . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 1 . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 5 . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #16 Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:42 am 
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[go]$$ White to connect at a or b? How can I miss something like this :-)
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . O X O O . O . O X X X X |
$$ | . X O . O O O X X X X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O X O X O X O O . O X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X O X X X . X . . . O X . . . X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . X X X X X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X . O X O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O a O O X X O X . O X X X . |
$$ | . O X . X O . X b O O O X . O . O X . |
$$ | O X X X X O . X . O X X X X O , O O . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . X O O X . O . O O . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O X . O X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O O . O O X X O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O . O O X X X X |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O X . O . X O . . . |
$$ | O O X O O O O O . , X . . O X O O O X |
$$ | O X X X O X X O X O X . X X X X O X . |
$$ | X X . X X . X X O . O X . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #17 Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:28 pm 
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[go]$$ Black to play or not to play at a? What about the ladder (geta)?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . a X X O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . X O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a is a good move: Read, read, read! It is only a ladder if you have only one liberty left. Don't be afraid of the geta, that is not there!

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[go]$$ Just for illustration purposes, cut anywhere you like :-)
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X O M . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O M . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O M . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . M O X X O O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . B O X X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . M O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . X O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White will not go for the ladder if he does not make the same reading mistake as well ;-)

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Post #18 Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:56 pm 
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[go]$$ White to connect at a or b? How can I miss something like this :-)
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . O X O O . O . O X X X X |
$$ | . X O . O O O X X X X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O X O X O X O O . O X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X O X X X . X . . . O X . . . X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . X X X X X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X . O X O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O a O O X X O X . O X X X . |
$$ | . O X . X O . X b O O O X . O . O X . |
$$ | O X X X X O . X . O X X X X O , O O . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . X O O X . O . O O . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O X . O X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O O . O O X X O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O . O O X X X X |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O X . O . X O . . . |
$$ | O O X O O O O O . , X . . O X O O O X |
$$ | O X X X O X X O X O X . X X X X O X . |
$$ | X X . X X . X X O . O X . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White should play at a, because allowing Black to play there gives him another threat.

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[go]$$ White to move
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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