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Author:  Gomoto [ Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:46 pm ]
Post subject:  A way to improve reading skills

The plan is to improve my reading. I will collect the positions from my games, where I missed the correct move. (Bad reading or not reading at all ;-).) For example in the diagram I let white seperate the two black stones, because I did not read at all. The two stones are easily connected with the correct next move.

[Update: The plan is to improve my intuition, pattern knowledge, sense of direction and reading.]

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[go]$$ Black to connect the two stones
$$ - . . . . . . .
$$ - . . O . . . .
$$ - . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X . . . .
$$ | . O . , . . .
$$ | . O . . O . .
$$ | . X O . . . .
$$ | . X . X . . .
$$ | . . X . X . .
$$ | . . O X O O .
$$ | . . O , . . .
$$ | . . . O . O .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:  DrStraw [ Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A way to improve reading skills

Reading is one thing. But did you even consider the move below? The first move I looked at was trying to connect underneath and induce a shortage of liberties but I instantly dismissed it. The second was this.

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[go]$$ Black to connect the two stones
$$ - . . . . . . .
$$ - . . O . . . .
$$ - . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X . . . .
$$ | . O . , . . .
$$ | . O . 1 O . .
$$ | . X O . . . .
$$ | . X . X . . .
$$ | . . X . X . .
$$ | . . O X O O .
$$ | . . O , . . .
$$ | . . . O . O .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:  EdLee [ Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:06 pm ]
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Hi Gomoto, Thanks.
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O X . . O . . . . . .
$$ | . O . X . X . . . , . . . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . O . .
$$ | . . . . . X X O O X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O X . . O . . . . . .
$$ | . O . X . X . 1 . , . . . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . O . .
$$ | . . . . . X X O O X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$B var 1 Miai cut at (a), (b)
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O X . b O . . . . . .
$$ | . O . X . X 2 1 3 . . . . .
$$ | . . O O X . O a . X . O . .
$$ | . . . . . X X O O X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$B var 2
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O X . 5 O . . . . . .
$$ | . O . X . X 4 1 3 . . . . .
$$ | . . O O X . O 2 . X . O . .
$$ | . . . . . X X O O X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$B var 3 Miai (c), (d)
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O X . . O . . . . . .
$$ | . O . X . X d 1 2 , . . . .
$$ | . . O O X . O c 3 X . O . .
$$ | . . . . . X X O O X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$B var 4 Miai (e), (f)
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O X . . O f . . . . .
$$ | . O . X . X e 1 3 4 . . . .
$$ | . . O O X . O 5 2 X . O . .
$$ | . . . . . X X O O X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ------------------------------[/go]
Quote:
The two stones are easily connected
But "easily" is relative.

Author:  dfan [ Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A way to improve reading skills

I spent a few minutes vainly looking for a way for Black to connect and then realized that the position was on the left side of the board, not the right :)

Author:  Gomoto [ Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A way to improve reading skills

DrStraw, your move is the "obvious" one I was talking about. :-)

EdLee, thanks for the diagrams. :-)

Easily: The two candidate moves to consider first are the two cutting points of the keima.
I missed the move anyways and played another not cutting move, easily is relative indeed. ;-)

Author:  Gomoto [ Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: A way to improve reading skills

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[go]$$ Black to connect the lower right stones reasonable
$$ . . X X X X X X . X O . . |
$$ O O O O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ . X X . . O X X O . . . . |
$$ X . X . X . O O O . O . . |
$$ X O . . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ O O . X X . X . O . X O . |
$$ . . X X O O X . . X X O . |
$$ O O O X O . X . O X O O . |
$$ . . . O O . X O . . X O . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:  EdLee [ Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:21 am ]
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[go]$$ var 1.
$$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? |
$$ ? . . X X X X X X . X O . . |
$$ ? O O O O 0 . . . X . O . . |
$$ ? . X X . 9 O X X O . . . . |
$$ ? X . X . X 8 O O O . O . . |
$$ ? X O . . . X 7 . . . X O . |
$$ ? O O . X X 6 X . O . X O . |
$$ ? . . X X O O X . 4 X X O . |
$$ ? O O O X O . X 5 O X O O . |
$$ ? . . . O O . X O 1 3 X O . |
$$ ? . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$-----------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bm11 var 1 (cont). Locally, B seems not alive.
$$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? |
$$ ? . . X X X X X X . X O . . |
$$ ? O O O O O . . . X . O . . |
$$ ? . X X 1 X O X X O . . . . |
$$ ? X . X . X O O O O . O . . |
$$ ? X O 3 2 4 X X . . . X O . |
$$ ? O O . X X O X . O . X O . |
$$ ? . . X X O O X . O X X O . |
$$ ? O O O X O . X X O X O O . |
$$ ? . . . O O . X O X X X O . |
$$ ? . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$-----------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$ var 2. Locally, B still not alive...
$$ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? |
$$ ? . . X X X X X X . X O . . |
$$ ? O O O O 8 . . . X . O . . |
$$ ? . X X 7 6 O X X O . . . . |
$$ ? X . X . X 5 O O O . O . . |
$$ ? X O 9 0 . X . . . . X O . |
$$ ? O O . X X . X . O . X O . |
$$ ? . . X X O O X . 1 X X O . |
$$ ? O O O X O . X 3 O X O O . |
$$ ? . . . O O . X O 4 2 X O . |
$$ ? . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$-----------------------------[/go]

Author:  Fedya [ Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: A way to improve reading skills

In Variation 1, doesn't Black have one eye on the bottom and one in the center?

Author:  dfan [ Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: A way to improve reading skills

:w14: made the eye false.

Author:  Gomoto [ Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A way to improve reading skills

I was interested in the local points difference and wanted to focus on the lower right. There my mistake happened. Should have made this clear in the diagram or the text. Thanks for your posts.

Author:  Gomoto [ Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: A way to improve reading skills

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[go]$$c White to make a move at the bottom
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O X . O O X X X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , X X O O . X O O O O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . X X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . O X X O . O O O . O . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O . . X O . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X X . . . X O X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . X . X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O X X O X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O O O X X O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Hint:
Connect the stone at M3

Author:  Gomoto [ Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: A way to improve reading skills

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[go]$$Wc White to move. Which move is better? a or b?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O O . . . . O O X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . X O X X X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . X O O X X . X O O X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . O O , O X . X O , . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . O . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O . X . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Answer:
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[go]$$Wc The white group is under heavy pressure
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O O . . . . O O X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . X O X X X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . X O O X X . X O O X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . O O , O X . X O , . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . O . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O . X . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . . . . . 3 O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . 5 4 2 X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc This is much better (one possible continuation).
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O O . . . . O O X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . X O X X X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . X O O X X . X O O X . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . O O , O X . X O , . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . O . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O . X . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . . . . 7 4 O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 3 2 X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The white group on the right is strong and the white thickness at the top is used effectivly. Move b is better.

Author:  Fedya [ Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A way to improve reading skills

You need to point out in your diagram that it's White to move. I was getting confused by the latter diagrams because I was trying to find the better move for Black. :oops:

Author:  Gomoto [ Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A way to improve reading skills

Thank you Fedya!

Author:  Gomoto [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A way to improve reading skills

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[go]$$ How to react to the counter hane (staircase formation) at the top?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X W . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Answer:
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[go]$$ This is a possible way to play.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . 3 X O . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O 2 . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 1 . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 5 . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:  Gomoto [ Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: A way to improve reading skills

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[go]$$ White to connect at a or b? How can I miss something like this :-)
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . O X O O . O . O X X X X |
$$ | . X O . O O O X X X X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O X O X O X O O . O X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X O X X X . X . . . O X . . . X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . X X X X X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X . O X O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O a O O X X O X . O X X X . |
$$ | . O X . X O . X b O O O X . O . O X . |
$$ | O X X X X O . X . O X X X X O , O O . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . X O O X . O . O O . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O X . O X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O O . O O X X O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O . O O X X X X |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O X . O . X O . . . |
$$ | O O X O O O O O . , X . . O X O O O X |
$$ | O X X X O X X O X O X . X X X X O X . |
$$ | X X . X X . X X O . O X . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:  Gomoto [ Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A way to improve reading skills

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[go]$$ Black to play or not to play at a? What about the ladder (geta)?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . a X X O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . X O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a is a good move: Read, read, read! It is only a ladder if you have only one liberty left. Don't be afraid of the geta, that is not there!

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[go]$$ Just for illustration purposes, cut anywhere you like :-)
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X O M . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O M . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O M . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . M O X X O O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . B O X X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . M O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . X O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White will not go for the ladder if he does not make the same reading mistake as well ;-)

Author:  Fedya [ Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A way to improve reading skills

Gomoto wrote:
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[go]$$ White to connect at a or b? How can I miss something like this :-)
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . O X O O . O . O X X X X |
$$ | . X O . O O O X X X X O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O X O X O X O O . O X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X O X X X . X . . . O X . . . X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . X X X X X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X . O X O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O a O O X X O X . O X X X . |
$$ | . O X . X O . X b O O O X . O . O X . |
$$ | O X X X X O . X . O X X X X O , O O . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . X O O X . O . O O . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O X . O X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O O . O O X X O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O . O O X X X X |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O X . O . X O . . . |
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White should play at a, because allowing Black to play there gives him another threat.

Author:  Gomoto [ Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: A way to improve reading skills

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Author:  EdLee [ Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:09 am ]
Post subject: 

Quote:
What about the ladder (geta)?

Ladder : shichō
Net : geta

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