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| Author: | daal [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Review of "The 21st Century Dictionary of Basic Joseki, |
tj86430 wrote: RobertJasiek wrote: Top performer when applying classical go theory versus top performer in researching formalized go theory. We know that someone is "Top performer when applying classical go theory" because of his/her success in playing go. How do we know that someone is "top performer in researching formalized go theory"? Because he is. Do we have to go there here now? |
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| Author: | tj86430 [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Review of "The 21st Century Dictionary of Basic Joseki, |
daal wrote: tj86430 wrote: RobertJasiek wrote: Top performer when applying classical go theory versus top performer in researching formalized go theory. We know that someone is "Top performer when applying classical go theory" because of his/her success in playing go. How do we know that someone is "top performer in researching formalized go theory"? Because he is. Do we have to go there here now? Of course not. I was just curious. Maybe I'm such person without even knowing it? |
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| Author: | jts [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Review of "The 21st Century Dictionary of Basic Joseki, |
No offense intended, RJ. I assumed that anyone would take it as a brilliant compliment to be compared to Takao Shinji, even if the comparison were unfavorable. Clearly you do not. |
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| Author: | RobertJasiek [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Review of "The 21st Century Dictionary of Basic Joseki, |
tj86430 wrote: How do we know that someone is "top performer in researching formalized go theory"? Read and understand his works and compare it with others'! If the works are beyond your understanding, educate yourself first! In my case, here are a few samples: http://groups.google.com/groups/search? ... k&safe=off There you find also links to proofs for the results in the next linked paper: http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/kodame.pdf http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/ko_types.pdf http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/external.pdf http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/ko.pdf |
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| Author: | shapenaji [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Review of "The 21st Century Dictionary of Basic Joseki, |
I took RJ's response to be a clarification, not a defense. And I think he has a right to that if his book is being specifically compared to this one. He places his book in a different genre. I have not read his book, but it would appear to be a problem for him if his book is being represented as a joseki dictionary, (and tossed into competition with the Meijin's), when in reality it is offering new mechanics. (As good as Takeo Shinji is, I would probably look for a book from one of go's mathematical researchers rather than him for a quantitative analysis of the game) |
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| Author: | Tami [ Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Review of "The 21st Century Dictionary of Basic Joseki, |
Just to let you know- both volumes are already available in Japanese. I bought them yesterday and they look great. Volume 2 deals with 4-4, 5-3, 5-4 and 3-3 joseki. My initial impressions (I cannot write a proper review yet of course) are that the work is very well arranged and indexed. The index is very thorough and systematic, and that makes it easy to find those pesky sidelines you sometimes meet. Each joseki is introduced with an explanation of the various possibilities and their meanings, plus common mistakes to avoid. After that comes a more detailed discussion of each line. So far, it is suprisingly enjoyable just to sit and read through a section, and of course it is extremely useful for reference. It would have been nice had there been a section about unusual joseki (6-3, 6-4, tengen etc.), but you can always delve into Kogo's dictionary for that kind of thing (there are some interesting "Easter Eggs" there, such as the coverage of the 2-2 opening!). If you can get by in Japanese, you might do well to consider buying these because a) the whole work is already available and b) it's somewhat cheaper (2400 Yen plus tax for each volume). 新版 定石事典上 ISBN 978-4-8182-0592-5 新版 定石事典下 ISBN 978-4-8182-0593-2 著者 高尾 紳路 Nihon Kiin 2010, 2011 |
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| Author: | RobertJasiek [ Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Review of "The 21st Century Dictionary of Basic Joseki, |
Tami wrote: It would have been nice had there been a section about unusual joseki (6-3, 6-4 85% of those are just reversions of other joseki. So with that idea you come pretty far for 6-3 and 6-4. Quote: you can always delve into Kogo's dictionary for that kind of thing Kogo is not sufficiently reliable for that. It has a few variations not found elsewhere but that doesn't make it complete on the basics of the scarce josekis. |
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