3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Phelan · #1

This game was being played on GD.
Here is the latest position, in case the players decide to continue it here.

daniel_the_smith · #2

I plan on making a move here at some point.

Joaz Banbeck · #3

I wouldn't recommend playing too much for the next 12 hours.
As you can see in this thread, there is going to be some shuffling going on. I plan to do it tonight after everyone has a chance to comment. If I screw up, your new game will disappear. If you do play, KEEP BACKUPS.

daniel_the_smith · #4

OK, hope everyone is here.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm33 Move 33 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · #5

topazg · #6

EDIT: Hahaha, oops, it's my move

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daniel_the_smith · #7

Magicwand · #8

Jordus · #9

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm35 Move 35 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . 1 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · **#10**

Dusk Eagle · **#11**

For topazg (everyone else can read as soon as topazg makes his previous post available to read):

Edit: Here's the game as it was on GoDiscussions to this point. To observers - it's definitely worth reading through all the hidden comments to see how one player's plans interacts with another's.

topazg · **#12**

Response to dusk eagle:

I considered "a", but I figured Black could fix his problems pretty easy:

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I figure the last thing White wants right now is to have to run around with his big eyeless dragon flailing madly, and I can't see much counter-pressure being put on Black's group just yet. "a" is possible, but maybe Black can play "6" more aggressively, either at "a" himself, or even at "b".

"b" I considered, but not in any great depth:

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There's this I suppose, but White's crippling his bottom at the expense of trying to save that group. I think saving that group is sooo important. White wanted to attack Black's middle group, and the sacrifice I played doesn't allow that really, but it's too late. Any chances of attacking it went in my opinion when the double hane happened.

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I might play 40 here, thinking about it, which makes a rather fun miai of "a" and "b". All in all, I think forcing Black to trot around the outside and capture a single stone is well worth it to get White solidly settled - especially in a position where attacking the right edge isn't unfeasible.

Phelan · **#13**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm36 Move 36 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X 1 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't really have much choice...It's either play this or White gets cut to pieces... I still wonder what magicwand wanted to do with this sequence.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm35 Alternative 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 X 2 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I could try playing this ko, White could still connect if we won, but I don't think we're in a good position to fight something as big as this now. Especially since black gets more out of winning the ko than we do.

I don't see any other good moves, really.

The way I see the game going now is this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm35 Move 36 followup $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 X 1 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X 3 O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

And I don't like it.

White still isn't connected, and can only make one eye in gote. And in the meantime, black is getting thicker in the center, which means it won't be easy to attack it or force it somehow.
Oh well.

daniel_the_smith · **#14**

Magicwand · **#15**

i am trying to figureout why he played as he did... was he scared of 1?

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another variation.

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for observers 1 is an overplay that mid dan level players use against kyu player. for you to get stronger you must first distinguish if what your opponent plays is an overplay or not.
then you find the move that will overcome that play by reading skills.
so
1) feeling that the move is an overplay.
2) reading skills that will show that is an overplay
edit also point: 'a' is very tempting aji that i dont wanna lose
that is why i feel we lost whole lot of point by giving up that one stone.

Phelan · **#16**

schultz · **#17**

Hooray for the Malkovich games being transferred and making it over here. And now I can comment on them...if only I had a question too.

And thanks Dusk Eagle, for grabbing those and zipping them up. Good to have those.

fwiffo · **#18**

schultz · **#19**

fwiffo wrote:

Violence · **#20**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm37 Move 37 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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