It is currently Thu May 23, 2013 10:01 am

View unanswered posts | View active topics View unread posts | View new posts | View your posts


Board index » L19²GO (Malkovich) » Other versions of turn-based games

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]



Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 30 of 32
  [ 627 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32  Next
  Print view Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
Offline Jordus
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #581 Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 5:39 pm 
Site Admin
User avatar

Posts: 1057
Location: Hemet, CA, USA
Liked others: 15
Was liked: 68
Rank: KGS 9k
Universal go server handle: Jordus
Black Internal Chat:
I think playing to threaten a cut with :b3: is the perfect move now thanks to our :b1: stone
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm Prisoners: None
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O 2 . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Just a quick analysis... more to come..

_________________
I'm thinking...
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline fwiffo
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #582 Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:19 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1413
Location: Florida
Liked others: 46
Was liked: 142
Rank: DGS 3 kyu
GD Posts: 1104
KGS: fwiffo
Black suggestion:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: None
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O 2 . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 3 a . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

We really can't skip this follow-up. The hane would mostly undo our last move. We could try jumping up instead ( :b59: at a), but I always regret that when I try it.

_________________
KGS 4 kyu - Game Archive
Keyboard Otaku - Webmaster Fort Myers Go Club
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Jordus
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #583 Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 3:24 pm 
Site Admin
User avatar

Posts: 1057
Location: Hemet, CA, USA
Liked others: 15
Was liked: 68
Rank: KGS 9k
Universal go server handle: Jordus
Black Internal Chat:
I agree that the follow up is important if we can't keep sente. And chancing that they will play in a way that we can keep it is risky... but... extending just further tightens the noose on our black group at d13 and extends their moyo... and we can't forget that weak top left corner...what to do.... hmmmm....

_________________
I'm thinking...
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline fwiffo
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #584 Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:02 pm 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1413
Location: Florida
Liked others: 46
Was liked: 142
Rank: DGS 3 kyu
GD Posts: 1104
KGS: fwiffo
Bump... Do we still have a game here?

_________________
KGS 4 kyu - Game Archive
Keyboard Otaku - Webmaster Fort Myers Go Club
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Jedo
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #585 Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:20 pm 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 587
Location: NY
Liked others: 124
Was liked: 43
Rank: 2D KGS
Apologies, middle of finals week over here. Suggestion:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: None
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O 2 . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . 3 . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think Fwiffo's move is correct, but this is just to give us another option. With the wedge:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: None
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O 2 6 . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 4 3 . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . 7 5 8 9 . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This might be possible

_________________
"There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level." -- Bruce Lee
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #586 Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:59 pm 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 3781
Location: Banbeck Vale
Liked others: 490
Was liked: 810
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm Prisoners: None
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . B . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


E8 is the proper move, of course. But this peep should improve our position. And I'm sure that someone will nominate it again next move.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #587 Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:00 pm 
Lives in sente
User avatar

Posts: 907
Location: Pittsburgh
Liked others: 45
Was liked: 100
Rank: lazy
KGS: redundant/silchas
Tygem: redundant
Wbaduk: redundant
DGS: redundant
OGS: redundant
Connect
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline tj86430
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #588 Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:31 pm 
Lives in sente

Posts: 971
Location: Finland
Liked others: 33
Was liked: 70
Rank: FGA 7k GoR 1297
Redundant wrote:
Connect

I can't think of anything else. To honor the format I will suggest something else.... (throwing dice) .... M13.

_________________
Signature space for rent
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #589 Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 2:01 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4161
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1431
Was liked: 573
Rank: 1d
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: None
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 4 O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Joaz, stop killing the move numbers :P :P

Only move, the resistance of pushing through the peep is, well, silly.

_________________
My Go videos | My Go Teaching Ladder (GTL) reviews
I also offer Go teaching lessons
-- Creator of OGS --
"I played a trick play and my opponent fell for it, unfortunately he didn't know the correct followup, so I died"
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline fwiffo
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #590 Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 8:30 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1413
Location: Florida
Liked others: 46
Was liked: 142
Rank: DGS 3 kyu
GD Posts: 1104
KGS: fwiffo
Black suggestion.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: None
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 5 . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 4 O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Like I was saying, we need to follow up the shoulder hit with this unless we have any other freebie moves anywhere.

_________________
KGS 4 kyu - Game Archive
Keyboard Otaku - Webmaster Fort Myers Go Club
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #591 Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 11:27 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 3781
Location: Banbeck Vale
Liked others: 490
Was liked: 810
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: None
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 5 . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The right move, for all the reasons that have been mentioned. And it looks so much better when we have our previously played peep as a potential ladder breaker.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , 2 3 . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O 1 4 5 . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #592 Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 11:37 am 
Lives in sente
User avatar

Posts: 907
Location: Pittsburgh
Liked others: 45
Was liked: 100
Rank: lazy
KGS: redundant/silchas
Tygem: redundant
Wbaduk: redundant
DGS: redundant
OGS: redundant
Discuss. I see these options.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: None
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . d . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . e . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O a . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . b . . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #593 Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 11:51 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 3781
Location: Banbeck Vale
Liked others: 490
Was liked: 810
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
For observers:
It is probably just a demented fantasy, but I'm looking at things like this

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . 0 . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . 9 . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O 5 . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 7 . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 4 O 1 . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O X 2 8 . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . O . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 1 2 X X . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 4 . O O X . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O O . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 O X X . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . O X 7 . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 6 . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . 8 . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline tj86430
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #594 Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 11:56 am 
Lives in sente

Posts: 971
Location: Finland
Liked others: 33
Was liked: 70
Rank: FGA 7k GoR 1297
Redundant wrote:
Discuss. I see these options.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: None
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . d . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . e . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O a . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . b . . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

For some reason I am tempted by:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: None
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is not my suggestion (yet), but to add to the discussion.

_________________
Signature space for rent
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #595 Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 12:08 pm 
Oza
User avatar

Posts: 2033
Location: Texas
Liked others: 526
Was liked: 168
Rank: KGS 3k
GD Posts: 264
KGS: Chew
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: None
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . d . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . e . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O a . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . b . . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

My suggestion is 'a'. If we play any of the other options besides 'c', I feel like black will play there like a shot. I feel like black can't stop to play 'c' yet, so let's solidify what we can while threatening shrinking the bottom left from multiple sides. They're undercut on the bottom right, undercut at 'b', and have TJ's favorite push. Basically, black's not going to get a ton down there unless we tenuki enough to let them. This works well with what we've got, however, and black can't afford to extend too far on the top because of our overpowering thickness. For example, if we take 'a' and black takes 'd', I will probably immediately recommend the M17 invasion, as it does have an effect on the corner, and we can threaten the new weak group on top. If black extends less far, we can probably shoulder-hit their stone and end up with more.

I would actually recommend M17 immediately, except that I prefer solidifying our left side groups before moves like D12 become more intimidating than they are.

_________________
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline tj86430
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #596 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 2:02 am 
Lives in sente

Posts: 971
Location: Finland
Liked others: 33
Was liked: 70
Rank: FGA 7k GoR 1297
I just realized I haven't suggested anything. To keep this going I suggest M16.

_________________
Signature space for rent
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Jedo
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #597 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:22 pm 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 587
Location: NY
Liked others: 124
Was liked: 43
Rank: 2D KGS
bump?!

_________________
"There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level." -- Bruce Lee
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #598 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:37 pm 
Lives in sente
User avatar

Posts: 907
Location: Pittsburgh
Liked others: 45
Was liked: 100
Rank: lazy
KGS: redundant/silchas
Tygem: redundant
Wbaduk: redundant
DGS: redundant
OGS: redundant
Chew's move is probably best ... but I vote c18.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #599 Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:14 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4161
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1431
Was liked: 573
Rank: 1d
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: None
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O 6 . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 5 . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The three stones around D13 have a lot of aji, so allowing Black to make something in the lower left is probably worth the large scale eradication of these stones.

_________________
My Go videos | My Go Teaching Ladder (GTL) reviews
I also offer Go teaching lessons
-- Creator of OGS --
"I played a trick play and my opponent fell for it, unfortunately he didn't know the correct followup, so I died"
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline tj86430
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #600 Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:41 am 
Lives in sente

Posts: 971
Location: Finland
Liked others: 33
Was liked: 70
Rank: FGA 7k GoR 1297
welcome back, captain!

_________________
Signature space for rent

This post by tj86430 was liked by 2 people: Tamara, topazg
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 30 of 32
  [ 627 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32  Next

Board index » L19²GO (Malkovich) » Other versions of turn-based games

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group