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Offline Fedya
 Post subject: Re: KGS rank shift?
Post #21 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:21 am 
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My rank didn't go up. :mad:
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Offline jts
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Post #22 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:03 am 
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Fedya wrote:
My rank didn't go up. :mad:

Did you check the graph? I'm still 3k, but I nonetheless shot up 1/3 of a stone, just like everyone else.
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Offline Fedya
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Post #23 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:00 pm 
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Maybe I just didn't lose anything for my last loss. ;-)
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Offline shapenaji
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Post #24 Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:46 am 
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I'll call myself dan player after I reach it in EGF rating (it takes cca 3d KGS in our conditions). Right now, I call myself 13-kyu even when I have a 5-kyu @KGS.

But everyone's perception is different. Mine is caused by going to the tournaments and knowing a lot of 'real' people in our go community. If one plays most of his serious games on KGS, it's only fair he calls himself 1-dan if he reaches it there. You can't blame him and force him to use ranking system you use/like the most :-)


3d KGS is 1d Czech? that seems off to me, I've played against the czech team...

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Offline Sur
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Post #25 Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:18 am 
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shapenaji wrote:
Sur wrote:
I'll call myself dan player after I reach it in EGF rating (it takes cca 3d KGS in our conditions). Right now, I call myself 13-kyu even when I have a 5-kyu @KGS.

But everyone's perception is different. Mine is caused by going to the tournaments and knowing a lot of 'real' people in our go community. If one plays most of his serious games on KGS, it's only fair he calls himself 1-dan if he reaches it there. You can't blame him and force him to use ranking system you use/like the most :-)


3d KGS is 1d Czech? that seems off to me, I've played against the czech team...


Maybe a strong 2-dan? This is our most recent dan player: http://www.gokgs.com/graphPage.jsp?user=mamutik

Also Laman here, 1-dan KGS, is only 3-kyu EGF.
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Offline wms
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Post #26 Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:08 am 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
On KGS, I am now 4 dan. :lol:

I gained 4 ranks in about 4 months without playing any rated games.
But the important thing is, are you "4d" or "4d?". They are totally different ranks on KGS. I suspect that you are the latter, which means you are not a KGS 4 dan.
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Offline shapenaji
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Post #27 Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:01 pm 
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Maybe a strong 2-dan? This is our most recent dan player: http://www.gokgs.com/graphPage.jsp?user=mamutik

Also Laman here, 1-dan KGS, is only 3-kyu EGF.


The thing is, it gets somewhat nonlinear in the dan ranks (AGA 6d can be KGS 4,5, or 6d)

And AGA 6d is generally considered to be European/Chinese 4d
(Technically I'm 2580 in EGF, but that's just because for some reason the tournament used my AGA rating as my starting EGF rating, and then I didn't lose to any European players...)

But I'm not sure, really tough to say what the right conversion is sometimes...

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Offline Pippen
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Post #28 Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:39 pm 
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Funny thing is I found at least one guy that is 1d in EGF and KGS :).
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #29 Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:14 pm 
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wms wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
On KGS, I am now 4 dan. :lol:

I gained 4 ranks in about 4 months without playing any rated games.
But the important thing is, are you "4d" or "4d?"...


There is a question mark after it, which in my opinion, is appropriate.
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Offline karaklis
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Post #30 Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:53 pm 
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Pippen wrote:
Funny thing is I found at least one guy that is 1d in EGF and KGS :).

This is not funny, but it is normal that in such wide ranges there are some cases where a EGF-1d has a rank of 1d at KGS.

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Offline daal
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Post #31 Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:53 am 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
wms wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
On KGS, I am now 4 dan. :lol:

I gained 4 ranks in about 4 months without playing any rated games.
But the important thing is, are you "4d" or "4d?"...


There is a question mark after it, which in my opinion, is appropriate.

The question mark is a symbol which in this context indicates that the system doesn't have enough data to compute your rating accurately. You can read about it here at the bottom of the page: http://www.gokgs.com/help/rmath.html.

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Offline Philip Traum
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Post #32 Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:41 am 
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What should be remembered is that the level of play varies a lot from day to day for amateurs, especially in the kyu range.
Any numerical value of playing skill will only be some kind of average. This makes it almost compulsory to mention the context of the rank and not only the number.

Furthermore there is an element of Rock, Paper, Scissors even for pros. Player 'A' may have a good record against player 'B', and 'B' may usually win against player 'C', but still player 'A' may have severe difficulties winning over 'C'.

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