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Post #1 Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 7:19 am 
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[go]$$B Black to play first. Choose between a and b
$$ --------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . .
$$ |. a O O b . . . . .
$$ |. X X O X . . . . .
$$ |. O O X X O . . . ,
$$ |. . . . . . . . . .
$$ |. . X . . . . . . .
$$ |. . . . . . . . . .[/go]


I'm currently studying Lee Chang Ho Course, middle level, book 1 and stumbled accross the above problem in lesson 7.

The correct answer is A. Anyone any idea why A is eventually better than B ?

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Post #2 Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 7:22 am 
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Either way white must capture the corner stones and black gets to play B. But if A is on the board then white cannot later hane and connect at the top so that becomes black's privilege later.

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Post #3 Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 7:28 am 
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Thanks DrStraw for seeing the better yose continuation, that's the kind of thing I need to improve.

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Post #4 Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 9:34 am 
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Also there is one extra (rather big) ko threat left there if black plays the correct move.

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Post #5 Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 10:30 am 
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Probably a question indicative of bad hibits, but are there cases where black might want to play b because if black plays a white will play b first?

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[go]$$B Black to play first. Choose between a and b
$$ --------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . .
$$ |. 1 O O 2 . . . . .
$$ |. X X O X . . . . .
$$ |. O O X X O . . . ,
$$ |. . . . . . . . . .
$$ |. . X . . . . . . .
$$ |. . . . . . . . . .[/go]

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Post #6 Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 10:42 am 
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illluck wrote:
Probably a question indicative of bad hibits, but are there cases where black might want to play b because if black plays a white will play b first?


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[go]$$B Black to play first. Choose between a and b
$$ --------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . .
$$ |. 1 O O 2 . . . . .
$$ |. X X O X 4 . . . .
$$ |. O O X X O . . . ,
$$ |. . 3 . . . . . . .
$$ |. . X . a . . . . .
$$ |. . . . . . . . . .[/go]


If W has positions on both sides this is conceivable, but I think the point of the exercise was the best way to force W to capture the corner. Also, given the B has a nice shape move at A it is hard for W to play this way.

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Post #7 Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 12:38 pm 
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[go]$$B
$$ --------------------
$$ |. 4 . . . . . . . .
$$ |6 1 O O 2 . . . . .
$$ |. X X O X 3 . . . .
$$ |. O O X X O . . . ,
$$ |. . 5 . . . . . . .
$$ |. . X . . . . . . .
$$ |. . . . . . . . . .[/go]


Black might also answer because you helped him damage your outside stone, and 5 in sente is huge. In the usual joseki by blocking at the top in sente the left block is no longer sente so there is a cut on the left. I once lost a game and a tournament and about £50 because I misjudged the severity of this cut.

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[go]$$B
$$ --------------------
$$ |. 2 . . . . . . . .
$$ |4 1 O O 3 . . . . .
$$ |. X X O X . . . . .
$$ |. O O X X O . . . ,
$$ |. . . 0 . . . . . .
$$ |. . X . . . . . . .
$$ |. . . . . . . . . .[/go]


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