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Who will win the EGC
Poll ended at Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:47 pm
Catalin Taranu 5 dan pro 23%  23%  [ 7 ]
Alexandr Dinershteyn 3 dan pro 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Cristian Pop 7 dan 13%  13%  [ 4 ]
Ilya Shikshin 7 dan 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Chaelim Kim 7 dan 10%  10%  [ 3 ]
Kyoungnang Kang 7 dan 37%  37%  [ 11 ]
JungHyeop Kim 7 dan 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Rob Van Zeijst 7 dan 7%  7%  [ 2 ]
Antti Törmänen 6 dan 7%  7%  [ 2 ]
Naoyuki Kai 6 dan 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Artem Kachanovskyy 6 dan 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Csaba Mero 6 dan 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Ondrej Silt 6 dan 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Gheorghe Cornel Burzo 6 dan 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Ci-Yang Wu 6 dan 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 30
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Offline tapir
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Post #21 Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:06 am 
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Well, so much for the wisdom of crowds. 8 rounds in, and Ilya Shikshin and Artem Kachanovskyy are running away with it. They're two games ahead of the EGC contenders, except for Taranu, who is one game behind. They're even a game ahead of the top Korean players. With only two games to go, one of the two of them should definitely win. http://www.egc2010.fi/results/egc-main-results.txt


Actually, Taranu is two games behind, it's only Ali Jabarin who's one game behind (and Israel are eligible for EGC contention aren't they?)


Yes, they are. Ali Jabarin was not even offered as contender in this poll... seems we have to prepare ourselves for big changes in the European go landscape in the next years. (Thomas Debarre is also only one game behind, though 2 MMS points, a pity that he arrived one day late.)

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PS It seems Ilya and Artem really profited from their korean-style insei league practice, no?
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Post #22 Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:37 am 
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Yeah, Jabarin and Taranu were next to each other and I misread the standings.

Jabarin was also in the insei league, which is either a striking coincidence or proof that it was a great idea.

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Post #23 Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:08 pm 
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Just in case you are wondering about the tie-breakers, please read

Tournament Rules of the European Go Championship.
http://www.eurogofed.org/egf/ecrules.htm

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Post #24 Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:40 pm 
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Vesa wrote:
Just in case you are wondering about the tie-breakers, please read

Tournament Rules of the European Go Championship.
http://www.eurogofed.org/egf/ecrules.htm

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Is this

# 4. SOS-2.
# 5. SOS-3.
# 6. SOS-4.
# 7. SOS-5.
# 8. SOS-6.
# 9. SOS-7.
# 10. SOS-8.
# 11. SOS-9.

some weird joke? (About someone preferring the 12th tie breaker?) I.e. isn't SOS-9 highly likely to be the MMS score of the opponent you're tied with? And what happens with a 3-way tie? :)
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Post #25 Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:11 am 
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And it's down to Artem or Ilya--Artem is 8-1, Ilya is 7-2, with a better SOS.

I guess another surprise would be Dinerchtein at 5-4.

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Post #26 Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:49 am 
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It looks like there's an appeal related to Dinerstein and van Zeist. Any word on what the problem was?
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Post #27 Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:57 am 
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pwaldron wrote:
It looks like there's an appeal related to Dinerstein and van Zeist. Any word on what the problem was?


With the current standings, it won't change the championship either way.
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Post #28 Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:57 am 
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pwaldron wrote:
It looks like there's an appeal related to Dinerstein and van Zeist. Any word on what the problem was?

Zeist ran out of time due to clock malfunctioning but the referee allowed the game to continue.
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=1299

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Post #29 Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:18 am 
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Post #30 Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:56 am 
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The tournament is over, and Ilya Shikshin edged out Artem Kachanovskyy for the title of European Go Champion.

http://www.egc2010.fi/results/egc-main- ... esults.txt

While Ilya played a great tournament, and is certainly deserving of the title, it does seem to leave some bad aji that he gets the win despite having lost to Artem, who also pulled off 8 victories and an MMS of 32. Anyone else think that the head to head match should trump the SOS score? (Or has this subject already been chewed to death?)

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Post #31 Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:05 am 
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(Or has this subject already been chewed to death?)


I'll let you guess, but the answer isn't 'no'.

More seriously, I suspect if you run through the rules forum, you'll find what you want. Maybe more than you want..

Added: maybe not, but if you go to http://senseis.xmp.net/?DirectComparison, http://senseis.xmp.net/?SOS, you'll be able to find a lot of discussion.

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Post #32 Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:48 am 
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Judging by this survey I have one advice for all the horse betting people: Don't give up your day job.

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Post #33 Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:20 am 
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hyperpape wrote:

I suspect if you run through the rules forum, you'll find what you want. Maybe more than you want..


Ack aack pbbtth! Oversight! I didn't say anything! NEVERMIND!

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